Ed,

While I agree with what you have said, I must add something to it.

While yes the elements outline a common sense approach, this is exactly what
more than a few companies need in order to move them forward in their goal
to make money.

To implement a QMS modeled after the 9000 series standards may indeed be a
marketing tool; however, the act of establishing and adequately maintaining
this same QMS will be for the dedicated management and workforce, exactly
what they need to become successful.

It is my opinion that the effectiveness of the use of this standard is
directly related to the goals, desires, and dedication of the people
implementing and maintaining it, not the registrar, not the suppliers
customers, not the consultants, etc. etc etc....

Of course this is merely my opinion, and I could be wrong...

Franklin D Asbell
Network Circuits, Inc. an ISO 9002 certified company
Irving, Texas 75061
972-313-1400


----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Cosper <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TN] SPC INFO


> Hi all,
>
> Saw this posting and had to respond.  Rule number 1.   Auditors don't tell
> you how to run your business. ISO requires only that you have a system by
> which the need for Statistical techniques be assessed and implemented
where
> deemed necessary.  So long as you have a method of assessing need, you may
> assess and determine that you don't need any SPC anywhere. To often
> manufactures allow ISO auditors to "run" their business using the ever
> popular adage "We do it because ISO says we have to"
>
> I can assure you that is a load of bull... and anyone who is familiar with
> ISO knows this. I have established ISO approved quality systems in several
> companies now. In addition, I have done this with virtually no on going
> added costs.  I simply use what is already being done. It is all in how
you
> document.  I have always set up systems with the mind set that less is
> better... and it is.  After all, I'm a realist, ISO is nothing more than
and
> selling tool these days. I rank them in the same category as UL.  A bunch
of
> bureaucratic BS that has been imposed in the US for no other reason than
to
> make the registrars money. After all, the system elements are nothing more
> than common sense approach, which any company worth its salt already has
> some effective form in place.
>
>
> Just my thoughts...
>
> Ed Cosper
> ABC
> Vestal NY.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Alan Kreplick
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 7:51 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [TN] SPC INFO
>
> Technetter's,
>
> I'm forwarding an email (see below) from a fellow engineer concerning SPC
> software for tracking solder faults.
>
> I'll forward all replies to him.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Al Kreplick
> Sr. Mfg. Eng.
> Teradyne Inc.
> 500 Riverpark Drive
> North Reading, MA 01864
> 978-370-1726
>
> AL,
> Did you get the E-MAIL I sent REF: S.P.C .programs.
> I would like to get some software that will help track solder faults. If
you
> Know of any please give me a call or E-Mail me.
> The ISO 9000 Auditor wants this  information posted as well as tracked.
> Any info you can supply would be appreciated
> Thanks Phil Robinson
>
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