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I think Dave was correct about the question marks a


Joyce,



I think Dave was correct about the question marks after "Authority" in

his  email.  Remember he's the lowly engineer fighting off the

alligators, trying to figure out how to convert from microns to inches

while he's looking for the light at the end of the tunnel.



Sorry Dave.  You do know I don't believe what I wrote above but I

couldn't pass up the opportunity.





Regards,

George

George M. Wenger

Andrew Wireless Solutions

Senior Principal FMA / Reliability Engineer

40 Technology Drive, Warren, NJ 07059

(908) 546-4531 [Office]  (732) 309-8964 [Cell]

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-----Original Message-----

From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David D. Hillman

Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:53 PM

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Subject: Re: [TN] NTC - [TN] Gold/Tin Intermetallics, why are we afraid?



Hi Joyce! Authority??????? I am just a lowly engineer trying to find the



light at the end of the tunnel without having all the alligators in the 

swamp get me first. My luck will be that the light at the end of the 

tunnel is Doug driving a train!



Dave







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04/16/2009 02:48 PM

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Re: [TN] Gold/Tin Intermetallics, why are we afraid?













Ha, the authority is spoken!



-----Original Message-----

From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David D. Hillman

Sent: April 16, 2009 3:32 PM

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Subject: Re: [TN] Gold/Tin Intermetallics, why are we afraid?



Hi Joyce - my response would "it depends" (and Doug gets another Diet

Mt. 

Dew) as Rockwell Collins utilizes immersion silver pwb surface finishes

on 

many IPC Class 3 type products with no reliability issues.



Dave







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04/15/2009 04:11 PM

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Re: [TN] Gold/Tin Intermetallics, why are we afraid?













"ImAG finishes have a 12-month shelf life in a controlled environment

(<35[degrees]C/<85[degrees] RH), which can be significantly shortened

when exposed to air pollution with high sulfur and chlorine content.

Silver embrittlement Embrittlement



A general set of phenomena whereby materials suffer a marked decrease in

their ability to deform (loss of ductility) or in their ability to

absorb energy during fracture (loss of toughness), with little change in

other mechanical properties, such  ([Ag.sub.3]Sn intermetallics) of

solder joints may occur when the finish thickness exceeds IPC-4553

recommendations and Pb-free, high silver content solders are used. ImAG

is not recommended for high-reliability assemblies that must meet

IPC-6010 Class 3 requirements, but is acceptable for Classes 1 and 2."



http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Will+discoloration+tarnish+ImAg+reliabilit

y%3F+Watch+for+silver...-a0193896272



-----Original Message-----

From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Werner Engelmaier /*

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:34 PM

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Subject: Re: [TN] Gold/Tin Intermetallics, why are we afraid?





 Hi Vlad,

I cannot comment on your specific case, but look at the pics below to

see 

Ag-embrittlement.

Sorry 'Netters, IPC strips pics.



Werner



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