Hi Chris - there's a significant difference in detecting Cr+6 in terms of
metal formation versus metal fabrication (e.g .welding, grinding, etc.) as
to analytical techniques (one of those "been there, done that" situations).
Have a good weekend.
Dave
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if you do a little google trawling on Cr+6 and SS you'll find ther's quite
a lot of work been done on exposure to Cr+6 for workers in the SS arena
especially in the USA - OSHA. There are also fairly simple detection
methods for Cr+6 which you'll find detailed there too - so don't be so
sceptical :)
C
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Hi Chris - It would be quite interesting to see the analysis
technique,
sampling method, and method measurement tolerance on
determining the
"amount" of Cr+6 in a cutting or welding situation. As other
LeadNetees
have discussed, the analytical methodology to confirm the RoHS
material
presence/quantity is embarrassingly poorly prescribed.
Dave
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Dave - the current thread is stainless steel not conversion
coatings of
which I am fully aware about.
The point I was getting across is that stainless only contains
chromium
but will produce Cr6 if flame cut, welded etc. Other forum
members
seemed to be under the impression SS contains Cr+6.
FYI Atotech claim to have compliant high performance post
treatment
sealers - see:
http://www.atotech.com/start.php3?cl_my_id=695663
Regards,
Chris
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Subject: Re: [LF] Stainless steel.
Hi Chris - the chromium in stainless steel is metallic
chromium and not
included in the RoHS Directive. There are chemical conversion
coatings
that
contain hexavalent chromium (e.g. materials such as Alodine)
that are
applied ON metallic surfaces for improved corrosion
resistance. Those
conversion coatings would be included in the RoHS Directive.
This is a
major issue for the high performance segment - there are no
substitute
conversion coatings that provide equivalent corrosion
resistance
characteristics (and folks, please don't flame me - I have
seen the
vendor's marketing literature on "we have substitutes" but
when we
tested
we could not produce adequate results for our use
environments).
Dave Hillman
Rockwell Collins
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As I understand it stainless steel is basically an alloy of
iron, carbon
and chromium (minimum of 10.5%) and when cut, heated, welded
or corroded
can give off Cr6, but not that it is inherently contained in
the
stainless.
Any metallurgists out there..................???
http://www.chromium-asoc.com/publications/crfile9apr02.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&lis
t_uids=7622548&dopt=Abstract
Regards,
Chris
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Rick
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Robert are YOU SURE?
We have been told to specify suppliers who use Chromium III
and avoid
those who use Chromium VI in their process.
Also the word is that the SS with Chromium III will rust.
Rick Smith
Senior Product/ Component Engineer
ClearCube Technology
8834 Capital of Texas Highway North
Austin, TX 78759
Phone: (512)652-3544
Cell: (512)299-6925
Fax: (512)652-3545
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There is no impact. Stainless steel does not include any
hexavalent
chromium.
Cheers,
Bob Hilty, Tyco Electronics
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Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:58 PM
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We have been reviewing materials used in our products and a
question
arose
regarding Chromium used in Stainless steel. (301, 302,
303)(BSI 1449
Part 2
301S21, 302S25) What impact does RoHS have on this material?
Cr is one
of
the elements used to give the material its characteristics.
Cr6 is given
off
when these steels are processed, welded, etc.
Denis
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