Hi,



the simple answer is, that the ressources are not taken into consideration at this "cost plan". In the cost for "new" paper there are not included the "natural ressources". You don't have to pay for the growing of the tree. It is growing with light of the sun and water from the rain. It's clear, you might pay for work, planting, cultivating and cutting this tree, but you don't have to pay for the energy, this tree needs to grow. 



And in the same way all natural ressources are "for free", whereas you have to pay every single working step at recycling ressources.



Also just a thought.



Best Regards

Gerhard



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Betreff: Re: [LF] Mandated recycling of electronics - a lose-lose-lose proposition





Brian, et al.



I am waiting for the article to download so I can read it, so while I am waiting for that I thought I would throw in my $.02 worth.



I don't know about Europe, but in the US virtually all paper comes from plantation trees that are grown and harvested just for paper production. It is a crop, just like wheat or corn.



Here in my quaint little community we are required by city ordinance to recycle all houdehold paper, glass, plastic and metal waste. I was recently at a Home & Garden show in SFo and the theme of the show was recycling (i.e. how to use recycled materials in the home and garden). I noticed that the recycled products were a lot more expensive than the "natural" materials for which they were supposed to be substitutes.  This is interesting in that we pay the city to pick-up the recycleables. So if  I have to subsidize the raw materials and still pay more for a product containing recylced materials where is the economic viability of that?



Just a thought.



Chuck Dolci



Brian Ellis wrote:



> As you know, Gordon, I am very much pro-recycling, ....



>

> In fact, much recycling is already done and is economically viable.

>

> As for the paper you cite, a 10-year old kid could drive a horse and 

> cart through a lot of what is said. For example, it cites Germany's 

> green dot system and its cost. But it does not offset this against the 

> need to not to produce virgin materials. Paper and plastics recycling, 

> which is what it applies to, IS economically viable and the recycled 

> materials cost about 90% of virgin materials for paper and cardboard 

> and 80% for plastics (and reduces oil-dependence). It quotes 

> electronics as being flame-retarded with deca-bde, when 

> tetrabromobisphenol A is used for FR-4 AND polycarbonate housings. 

> There is another point that should be considered and that is that WEEE 

> is European and Europe has far less available space for landfills, so 

> it is not possible to extrapolate conditions to countries like the 

> USA.

>

>

>

> Brian

>

> Davy, Gordon wrote:

>



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