Karl, Peggy, fellow designers,
I agree Abd ul-Rahman. The Top Gun hall of Fame Contest is a test of the
designers, not the software. Each participant used the software of their
choice. I used Mentor Graphics software because that is what I use on the
job, and what I am most familiar with. Judging of the board designs (50% of
the scores) was done on a CAM system using the final outputs (Gerber files,
drawings, etc.) The files were carefully screened before judging to remove
any reference to the designer, his/her company, and the software used. If
you look at the board evaluation checklist on the Top Gun Spring 99 website
you will see how the designs were scored on a point system.
Everyone in the group I competed with is a Top Gun, but only 3 were inducted
into the Hall of Fame. VeriBest use the results in their advertising to
promote their software, but I feel it is merely a coincidence that most
winners so far have been VeriBest users.
Roy H. Beckman, C.E.T.
Senior PCB Designer / System Administrator
Harris Canada, Inc.
6732 - 8th Street, N.E.
Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2E 8M4
Phone: 403-295-4758
Fax: 403-295-4622
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl J. Bates [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:32 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [DC] Mentor vs. VeriBest
>
>
> Peggy,
> Excellent idea, let's hear from the participants.
> Karl
>
> Fall 1998 Participants:
>
> Kathy Descoteaux
> Praegitzer Design
> Nashua, NH
> Design Software: Cadence
>
> Steve Herbstman <<<< co-winner 1998
> Electronic Systems Packaging
> Westford, MA
> Design Software: Veribest
>
> Barry Hurley <<<< co-winner 1998
> PCB Design Consultants
> Bonham, TX
> Design Software: Accel
>
> Daniel Mepham
> 3Com
> Marlborough, MA
> Design Software: Cadence
>
> Sam Papa
> StorageTek
> Louisville, CO
> Design Software: Mentor Graphics
>
> SPRING 99 PARTICIPANTS
>
> Nick Barbin <<<< co-winner 1999
> Optimum Design Associates
> Dublin, CA
> Design Software: VeriBest
>
> Roy Beckman
> Harris Canada Inc.
> Calgary, AB Canada
> Design Software: Mentor Graphics
>
> Don Folk
> KAW/USA
> Nashua, NH
> Design Software: Cadence
>
> Jim Hoch
> Mariposa Technology
> Petaluma, CA
> Design Software: VeriBest
>
> John Sovinsky
> CAD Design Services/Software
> Santa Clara, CA
> Design Software: CAD Design
>
> Tom Stout <<<< co-winner 1999
> Optimum Design Associates
> Dublin, CA
> Design Software: VeriBest
>
> Russell Sunden
> Cisco Systems
> Austin, TX
> Design Software: Cadence Allegro
>
> Glenn Wells <<<< co-winner 1999
> Intelect Network Technologies Inc.
> Richardson, TX
> Design Software: VeriBest
>
>
> "Meadows, Peggy A" wrote:
> >
> > Maybe the right thing to do is ask the Top Gun designers,
> what CAD tools
> > were they proficient with and why did they choose to use
> the VeriBest tools
> > when they were competing.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 7:26 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [DC] Mentor vs. VeriBest
> >
> > At 04:13 PM 10/7/99 -0500, Karl J. Bates wrote:
> > >Chris,
> > > 4 of 5 PCB Top gun winners so far have used
> Veribest, 1 used Accel.
> > >There were designers using Cadence and Mentor there also.
> I've used
> > >Cadence and Mentor, unfortunately I haven't tried Veribest yet.
> > >See this site to see the contests.
> > >
> > >http://www.pcbshows.com/topgun
> >
> > I'm sure that Mr. Bates did not intend to create any misleading
> > impressions, but the Top Gun contest tests designers,
> primarily, not CAD
> > systems. It's also interesting to note that there have been
> two contests so
> > far. The second was sponsored by Praegitzer Industries and
> Veribest; there
> > were eight participants, of which four used Veribest, 2
> used Cadence, 1
> > used Mentor, and 1 used, apparently, a service bureau's
> proprietary system.
> > All three winners were Veribest users. The first contest had five
> > participants, of which two used Cadence, one Mentor, one
> Accel, and one
> > Veribest. The two winners used Accel and Veribest.
> >
> > The announcements of the winners don't even mention what
> CAD system they
> > used, you have to look down a little farther. It's pretty
> clear that this
> > is a contest between designers, not CAD systems. Obviously,
> if a designer
> > chose to use a system that did not work, he or she would
> have trouble; but
> > most of the contest has to do with design knowledge; speed
> does not seem to
> > be much of an issue; the participants were given one and
> one-half days to
> > complete the design, and while the design details are not
> found on the web
> > site, it does not appear to be a difficult design. The
> board design itself
> > is only 50% of the scoring; the remainder is based on a
> written test and a
> > personal interview.
> >
> > I don't think anything can be concluded about the relative
> merits of the
> > CAD systems involved (or not represented) from these
> contest results.
> >
> > [log in to unmask]
> > Abdulrahman Lomax
> > P.O. Box 690
> > El Verano, CA 95433
>
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