Well said Bev!

Thank you.  You made the point much better than I.

Danielle

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From: Bev Christian <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:50:48 -0500
Subject: [LF] Lead, vinegar and garbage (yum)

> Gordon,
> The TCLP is not unrepresentative of the conditions right beside a
> rotting tomato, but it certainly is unrepresentative once you (or the
> lead  :)  ) are/is a few centimeters away.  The problem occurs when
> people take the results for the EPA test and think that is what would
> be leaving the actual landfill.  As I, you, Brian Ellis and many others
> have shown, this is chemically not the case.
>
> New topic to stir the pot.  :)
> I think earlier someone had a few disparaging words to say about BAN.
> For those of you that don't know, they are a ground roots eco group in
> California. They have produced a sensationalist, but gripping
> documentary about waste electronics taken to China for "recycling".
> The images are horrifying for anyone, but especially for a chemist -
> open burning of PVC coated cables to recover the copper, broken CRT
> tubes dumped in the open, a man with no more extra protection than
> rubber boots pouring aqua regia over printed circuit boards and circuit
> packs to recover the gold.  Certainly the entire landscape of China has
> not been decimated, but around the five or six villages in the area
> where this is going on things are pretty bad.  I do not believe we can
> lay all the blame at the feet of the big, bad West full of consumers
> and not all the blame can be laid at the feet of the Chinese - there is
> enough for both!
>
> I am sure that most people do not know that a large proportion (and we
> can argue about percentages) of electronic stuff they honestly think is
> being recycled ends up in little villages as I describe above.  So
> certainly we cannot lay the blame here on the individual consumer.  If
> you want to talk about consumption itself, well that is another
> chapter. Certainly some blame can be given to Canada, the US and Europe
> as political entities that are breaking their own treaties by sending
> this stuff out of their individual countries.  Expediency and greed are
> alive and well.
>
> But certainly this is not foisted on the Chinese, they want this stuff.
>  And it is they that chose to treat the material in such a cavalier
> fashion.  China is not some dirt poor African nation taking low level
> radioactive waste for cash because they are absolutely desperate. We
> are talking about one of the oldest civilizations in the world; with a
> revived, fast growing economy; a country with many well-trained
> scientists and engineers.  Again greed is alive and well there too.
>
> So personally I thank BAN for making the film, even if it uses scare
> tactics.  I will certainly be asking my regional authorities how they
> plan to deal with electronic waste.  And I think the Chinese
> authorities need to wake up and think of the long term consequences and
> not just about the next buck.
>
> Let the games begin.
>
> Opinions are my own, not those of my employer, etc., etc.
>
> And, Brian, this is about lead and I don't have time to subscribe to
> too many bulletin boards, so I have posted it here and not on your
> enviro site.  We can discuss it until Jack tells us to stop.  :)
>
> Bev Christian
>
>
>
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