I have no problem replying directly to messages (and opening & reading them
individually) and I use the Digest format to cut down on the number of
e-mails received. Maybe the e-mail program used makes a difference. I use
Microsoft Exchange and I hope it still works when I soon switch to Outlook.
Tim Reeves
ECD
> ----------
> From: Goldman, Patricia J.
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 7:42
> Subject: Re: ADMIN Re: [TN] Please let me post my opinions/questions/
> answers without anyinterruption
>
> I agree with Susan and would add a few more points:
>
> 1. Here where I am, e-mail is much more easily (and continuously)
> received
> than going to a website and going online. It is also much easier to reply
> to - I can start a message, work on it during the day, and finish it up
> later.
> 2. If someone doesn't like all the e-mail s/he can always opt for the
> digest service. This will cut the flow to just a few e-mails a day. One
> can still reply, though it's not quite as easy to reply directly. Of
> course
> a person reading the digest, can still access the archives and reply to
> the
> message directly (I think).
> 3. Having both e-mail and I-net access readily available on my computer,
> I
> can say the more direct of these two is e-mail.
> 4. IPC's website has gotten just incredibly complicated - it sure doesn't
> need any more clutter!
> 5. In short, I do not see any advantage to an on-line forum, and the
> increased hassle to access would probably make me one of those that would
> no
> longer participate.
>
> BUT... I must point out that ,on reading down through Jeff's proposal, he
> does NOT recommend eliminating the e-mail forum, rather ADDING the on-line
> forum to it -- apparently so that the messages we get by e-mail also
> (magically) appear on-line at the website and can be replied to from
> either
> point. I don't really see a problem with that, esp. if log-in security
> measures are used. (Except for my point #4 above.)
>
> Patty
> Patricia J. Goldman
> PPG Industries, Inc.
> 412-492-5516
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan James [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 10:15 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] ADMIN Re: [TN] Please let me post my
> opinions/questions/answers without anyinterruption
>
>
> First off, after reading Jeff Ferry's post, it is my most earnest hope
> that
> IPC does nothing to disrupt the flow of information on this forum. I have
> contributed very little personally, but the knowledge I've gained from
> just
> lurking has been invaluable. I am involved in many different areas from
> design to manufacture and can use all the help I can get. PLEASE, IPC, DO
> NOT CHANGE THIS FORUM. If you do, I'll loose access because my company is
> very particular about their employees' internet activities. If I start
> getting spammed or receive inappropriate materials, it would definitely
> cut
> me off from this valuable source. I realize I'm just one person, but
> there
> are probably more out there that would loose access as well.
> Additionally,
> besides being a wealth of knowledge, this forum is almost totally free of
> commercialism. I have nothing against selling, but you need to have the
> freedom this forum affords. Everyone seems to respect the rules and I've
> never received spam as a result of being a TechNet member. This is a very
> successful forum. For those of you that have trouble keeping up with the
> emails, why not change your setting to digest form? That's what I do and
> have no trouble at all managing it. Try it for a while and you might find
> it's a better way to go for you.
>
> Secondly -- Minsu Lee, I don't mean to offend you, but please chill. Not
> everything in life is the result of one's ethnicity and neither your
> academic credentials nor your title guarantee respect. I'm sure Keach
> Sasamori will do everything he can to assist you.
>
>
>
>
> ---Jeff Ferry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> This discussion prompts me to reveal proposals I've
> recently offered to IPC President Denny McGuirk, and
> John Riley, V.P. of Professional Development. That
> being that the wealth of information in this forum is
> truly deserving more wide spread distribution.
>
>
> I proposed that this forum be offered via e-mail as it
> is now, and also offered directly online. The same
> login security features could be implemented in both
> cases to avoid SPAM and other unauthorized
> submissions. Online access would open the forum to
> anyone who finds it difficult to keep up with the
> sometimes overwhelming flow of questions and answers
> now distributed only via e-mail. (I use an alternate
> Yahoo e-mail address just for TechNet to keep my main
> e-mail open.) While some TechNetters would likely
> drop themselves from the e-mail list, I believe that
> postings directly from online subscribers would more
> than even out the activity keeping this forum vibrant.
>
>
> I further offered to completely underwrite the cost to
> offer this forum online if offered the opportunity to
> also distribute the forum through our web site. In
> deed, why not let any industry supportive business
> distribute this forum through their web site. We
> consider the content in this forum to be so valuable
> that we are building our own searchable database that
> points to archived pages at the IPC web site. See
> http://www.circuitnet.com/forums/forums_index.htm
> <http://www.circuitnet.com/forums/forums_index.htm> .
>
>
> I look forward to your comments.
>
>
> Jeff Ferry
> President - Circuitnet
> [log in to unmask]
> www.circuitnet.com
> Chairman - IPC Repairability Committee
>
>
>
> --- Jack Crawford <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Minsu, I'm not sure if your frustration is directed
> > at IPC or at your internal IS support.
> >
> > Yes, you have to be a subscriber to the TechNet to
> > be able to post questions. Any other attempted
> > postings get replies that they aren't permitted to
> > post. It didn't used to be this way; previously
> > anybody in the world could post whether they were
> > members or not. Your colleague that can post without
> > intervention is most certainly a subscriber.
> >
> > We had to implement this policy because the technet
> > address got published on a bunch of commercial
> > advertising e-mail lists, and TechNet started to get
> > bombed with SPAM, porno, and other messages
> > inappropriate to a technical forum. We didn't want
> > to go to a moderated forum whereby someone has to
> > read and approve each posting; that's too much like
> > censorship.
> >
> > By only permitting postings from subscribers, we can
> > more easily identify and block the spammers. If the
> > normal subscription where you receive each posting
> > separately generates too much e-mail traffic for
> > you, there is are digest options which provide
> > single msgs periodically based on accumulated lines
> > of text, or an index option, where you receive
> > periodic msgs with only the subject lines and you
> > can then access the archives for those things of
> > specific interest to you.
> >
> > If you have any further questions or suggestions
> > please contact either Keach or myself off-net.
> > Thanks! Jack
> >
>
>
>
> > >>> $(CÀ̹μö Â÷Àå ÀüÀÚ ¿*± ¼Ò¿*± 2ÆÀ
> > <[log in to unmask]> 04/26/00 07:33PM >>>
> > Everytime I post my message, I have to go through
> > some people.
> > And I do not know why I need his help, editing,
> > supervising or whatever.
> > It really made me mad, let alone it takes much
> > longer to see my posting.
> > Even my colleague here can post freely without
> > permission.
> > I suppose Tech Forum is for subscribers regardless
> > of his/her race,
> > nationality,
> > bra bra bra...
> > Please let me post my opinions/questions/knowledge
> > without any interruption..
> > Your help, thanks but no thanks. I can take care of
> > myself.
> > BTW, my company is IPC member and I graduated from
> > UGA in Athens, GA.
> >
> > Minsu Lee
> > Manager
> > Doosan Electro-Materials Co.
>
>
>
>
> ---Keach Sasamori <[log in to unmask]> wrote
> Minu-Lee:
>
>
> I checked your subscription options on the list, and you are set up the
> same as the 7 other people from your company. I
> did notice little thing that might make a difference. Your name is
> registered with English characters as Minsu Lee on the
> Listserv, but your name on the e-mail which was sent was unreadable. Are
> you
> using some Korean characters or a plug-in
> which converts your name to Korean characters? That might explain why you
> are having trouble, the Listserv computer may
> not recognize you when you try to post.
>
>
> Can you send me the specific error messages that you get when you try to
> post? I can try to figure it out, but I need
> some more details.
>
>
> Keach Sasamori
> IS Administrator
> IPC
> 2215 Sanders Rd.
> Northbrook, IL 60062-6135
> Ph: (847) 790-5315
> Fax: (847) 509-9798
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