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Hi Hui Luo

Your reply confused me a little so I would like to try to clarify my understanding.  At first it seemed that you were looking for storage after the PCBA was completed the assembly process.  Now it seems to me that you are asking about conditions of a dwell time between two assembly operations.  Maybe you can help clarify.  I can tell you the following:
1. For bare PCBs IPC did a study that showed that when held at office conditions, PCB had no problem with solderability after two years of storage.  
2. Regarding moisture: All PCBs absorb moisture to some extent based on the laminate material.  After baking the board can absorb to equilibrium relatively quickly 8-16 hours.  So if the board is in a humid environment it could absorb faster.
3. If you are stopping between two operations, I would be concerned about any in process residues on the assembly and the potential for residue impact on subsequent processes.

Best regards,
Dave

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IPC - Association Connecting Electronics Industries
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:49 PM
To: David Bergman
Cc: Jack Crawford; Jeanne Cooney; Listserv TGAsia; Tom Newton
Subject: RE: [TGAsia] shelve life and storage informations req

Hi David,

Thanks for you prompt feedback! I agree your words that assembly should set
up serious procedure for ESD and we always do that. Why I raise that
question is because there will be many issues brought if the idle time
between SMT and assembly is certain long, such as solderability issue,
delamination issue, solder balling issue...

Per our experience, there will be big risk if the idle time more than 5
days after SMT. Now in Emerson Network Power Group, we would like to set
down this requirement, but first we wish get comment from you.

Best Regards

HuiLuo
Manufacturing Engineering, MECH
Embedded Computing & Power

Emerson Network Power
Tel:0760-88865196
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Dear Hui Luo,


I have never seen a document that established this type of requirement.  I
assume the temperature and humidity requirement would be similar to the
PCB.  I assume also there would be more concern about ESD control.






Best regards,
Dave


David W. Bergman   大山人
Vice President, International Relations
IPC - Association Connecting Electronics Industries
3000 Lakeside Drive Suite 309 S Bannockburn, IL 60015-1249 USA
+1 847-597-2840 tel
+1 847-615-5640 fax
+1 847-867-1388 mobile
[log in to unmask]
www.ipc.org





-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:03 PM
To: David Bergman
Cc: Jack Crawford; Tom Newton; Jeanne Cooney; Listserv TGAsia
Subject: Fw: [TGAsia] shelve life and storage informations req





Dear David and other IPC officers,


Besides below, can you help to advise is there any documentation to
describe the shelf life/storage condition/handling requirment for the PCBA
after SMT or wave soldering?


Best Regards


HuiLuo
Manufacturing Engineering, MECH
Embedded Computing & Power


Emerson Network Power
Tel:0760-88865196
Email:[log in to unmask]
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Hi Patricia,


IPC committees are working on IPC-1601 Printed Circuit Board Storage and
Handling Guidelines.  You can get to the draft document at the link noted
below:


http://www.ipc.org/committeedetail.aspx?Committee=D-35





Best regards,
Dave


David W. Bergman   大山人
Vice President, International Relations
IPC - Association Connecting Electronics Industries
3000 Lakeside Drive Suite 309 S Bannockburn, IL 60015-1249 USA
+1 847-597-2840 tel
+1 847-615-5640 fax
+1 847-867-1388 mobile
[log in to unmask]
www.ipc.org


From: TGAsia [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Patricia Lui
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:06 AM
To: Listserv TGAsia
Subject: [TGAsia] shelve life and storage informations req







 Dear Friends,


 Can anyone advise me are there any documentations which indicates the PCB

 raw material, bareboard or PCBA storage conditions and shelve life.


 Have anyone of you experience PCBA after storage of one year have appear

 via holes failure issues? Anyone have ever encounter or studies in this

 area?


 Hope to have your favourable advise.


 Thanks & Best Regards

 Patricia Lui

 Xuan Technologies.








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