I agree with everything you are all saying, and I also heartily agree
that the forum's sole purpose is the exchange of opinions as well as
ideas.
In order for the forum to be effective, if someone has an opinion or an
idea, they must feel free to share it.
But don't criticize those who do, either because you have no interest in
the topic, or don't like what was said.
Jason Gregory used the forum to instigate discussion today. Some
criticized the topic, others criticized his opinions.
But guess what? He got more people discussing other aspects of the
lead-free impact that many others had not thought of.
We don't need the negative stuff, such as people telling others to go
have a glass of water or decaf. They should simply respond with their
opinions.
My hat is off to Jason.
Hope you sign back on, Jason.
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brooks,Bill
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 12:45 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why?
P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute". Mr. Barnum found a
way to entice folks into parting with their hard-earned money - and
their common sense - for a glimpse at the elephant woman and the
two-headed cow and the amazing rubber man.
Nothing has changed...
Bill Brooks - KG6VVP
PCB Design Engineer, C.I.D.+, C.I.I.
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 Datron World
Communications, Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Kozlyk [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:41 AM
To: 'TechNet E-Mail Forum'; 'Brooks,Bill'
Subject: RE: [TN] Lead-Free, Why?
Good Point !!!
Sort of like the $$millions invested in replacing PC's/software in
preparation for Y2K !!!!
I went to one investing seminar & the idiot there, said everything
electronic i.e. toasters, microwaves, would stop running on Jan 1,
2000.....
Regards
TDK
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brooks,Bill
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why?
This is an interesting thread.
It completely floors me that we tend to treat the symptoms rather than
treat the disease in this country... Why we don't go back to the root of
the problem or to the motivation behind the solution completely evades
my reasoning ability...
As far as I know, Tin/lead solder has been in use for a very, very long
time... with no documented ill effects. There is not one shred of
evidence that I have seen that has indicated the connection between
electronics products being put in land fills and lead poisoning or
disease of fish, fowl, animal or man... yet we are running headlong
investing in a soldering process that is absolutely worse than tin/lead
soldering...much less reliable, more costly, and for what?
Where is the hard evidence that this is needed or even wise? It is like
you said... the 'emperor's new clothes' syndrome....
I think some folks are in for a rude awakening...
Bill Brooks - KG6VVP
PCB Design Engineer, C.I.D.+, C.I.I.
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 Datron World
Communications, Inc. _______________________________________
San Diego Chapter of the IPC Designers Council Communications Officer,
Web Manager http://dcchapters.ipc.org/SanDiego/
http://pcbwizards.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Collins [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:42 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why?
I'm guessing Ramon has already been affected, I know we have, and are in
similar industries. Prices seem to be climbing for Pb materials - as
can be predicted by the reality of decreased volume production. And,
more importantly, component finishes are being changes - some times with
different part numbers, some times with notification as bogus as a "pb
free"
sticker stuck on the side of the reel of parts.
Ah well. Buy the ticket, take the ride. Next thing they'll be banning
copper...
regards,
Graham Collins
Process Engineer,
L-3 Communications Electronic Systems Inc.
Halifax
(902) 873-2000 ext 6215
>>> [log in to unmask] 06/15/05 10:18AM >>>
Hi Ramon,
it is that kind of thinking that gets us into trouble. Just because you
are not exporting to the EU, or because your part of the industry is
exempt, does NOT mean that you are not affected--YOU WILL BE AFFECTED.
that is because, you will not be able to buy SnPb-parts.
Werner
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