I agree with everything you are all saying, and I also heartily agree that the forum's sole purpose is the exchange of opinions as well as ideas. In order for the forum to be effective, if someone has an opinion or an idea, they must feel free to share it. But don't criticize those who do, either because you have no interest in the topic, or don't like what was said. Jason Gregory used the forum to instigate discussion today. Some criticized the topic, others criticized his opinions. But guess what? He got more people discussing other aspects of the lead-free impact that many others had not thought of. We don't need the negative stuff, such as people telling others to go have a glass of water or decaf. They should simply respond with their opinions. My hat is off to Jason. Hope you sign back on, Jason. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brooks,Bill Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 12:45 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why? P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute". Mr. Barnum found a way to entice folks into parting with their hard-earned money - and their common sense - for a glimpse at the elephant woman and the two-headed cow and the amazing rubber man. Nothing has changed... Bill Brooks - KG6VVP PCB Design Engineer, C.I.D.+, C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 Datron World Communications, Inc. _______________________________________ San Diego Chapter of the IPC Designers Council Communications Officer, Web Manager http://dcchapters.ipc.org/SanDiego/ http://pcbwizards.com -----Original Message----- From: Terry Kozlyk [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:41 AM To: 'TechNet E-Mail Forum'; 'Brooks,Bill' Subject: RE: [TN] Lead-Free, Why? Good Point !!! Sort of like the $$millions invested in replacing PC's/software in preparation for Y2K !!!! I went to one investing seminar & the idiot there, said everything electronic i.e. toasters, microwaves, would stop running on Jan 1, 2000..... Regards TDK -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brooks,Bill Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:35 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why? This is an interesting thread. It completely floors me that we tend to treat the symptoms rather than treat the disease in this country... Why we don't go back to the root of the problem or to the motivation behind the solution completely evades my reasoning ability... As far as I know, Tin/lead solder has been in use for a very, very long time... with no documented ill effects. There is not one shred of evidence that I have seen that has indicated the connection between electronics products being put in land fills and lead poisoning or disease of fish, fowl, animal or man... yet we are running headlong investing in a soldering process that is absolutely worse than tin/lead soldering...much less reliable, more costly, and for what? Where is the hard evidence that this is needed or even wise? It is like you said... the 'emperor's new clothes' syndrome.... I think some folks are in for a rude awakening... Bill Brooks - KG6VVP PCB Design Engineer, C.I.D.+, C.I.I. Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 Datron World Communications, Inc. _______________________________________ San Diego Chapter of the IPC Designers Council Communications Officer, Web Manager http://dcchapters.ipc.org/SanDiego/ http://pcbwizards.com -----Original Message----- From: Graham Collins [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:42 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why? I'm guessing Ramon has already been affected, I know we have, and are in similar industries. Prices seem to be climbing for Pb materials - as can be predicted by the reality of decreased volume production. And, more importantly, component finishes are being changes - some times with different part numbers, some times with notification as bogus as a "pb free" sticker stuck on the side of the reel of parts. Ah well. Buy the ticket, take the ride. Next thing they'll be banning copper... regards, Graham Collins Process Engineer, L-3 Communications Electronic Systems Inc. Halifax (902) 873-2000 ext 6215 >>> [log in to unmask] 06/15/05 10:18AM >>> Hi Ramon, it is that kind of thinking that gets us into trouble. Just because you are not exporting to the EU, or because your part of the industry is exempt, does NOT mean that you are not affected--YOU WILL BE AFFECTED. that is because, you will not be able to buy SnPb-parts. 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