I just wrote a monster reply --I like Dales better. Concise. Like my ISO system. (My "don't need an ISO consultant to understand if I am in compliance" ISO system.)
Thanks Dale.
Steve M
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From: Ofer Cohen
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:34
Subject: Re: [TN] ISO and prototypes....
Well said, Dale.
While serving, in previous life, as an ISO auditor (those bad guys), I saw too many people who are searching for a too sophisticated way to comply with the ISO requirements, by building monstrous procedures. Its the best way to fail in the audit and come to those "different audit paths that you want to avoid". And then, the ISO is to be blamed :-).
Keep the procedures simple, and most important, comply to your organization. The you can live happily for long.
Regards
Ofer Cohen
Quality Assurance Manager
Seabridge Ltd.
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From: Dale Ritzen [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 5:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] ISO and prototypes....
Sorry folks... "Reference Only" is the best way I know of to get an ISO auditor interested in WHY you have the documentation marked that way. Especially if you have a number of documents marked in this manner. That can lead to many different audit paths that you want to avoid. I have been there, done that, and seen people create a nightmare for themselves by being overly consumed by the product development requirements in the new ISO 9K:2K standard.
The best thing is to create a development process that fits your business and customer expectations, then execute to that process. Yes, it might mean that the engineering staff has to document some things that they consider unnecessary, but you can minimize their task by limiting the required "paper trail" that they have to work through. Be smart about it and you can limit your exposure to audit findings with a minimum of effort and documentation, while still meeting the requirements of the ISO 9K:2K standard.
I've been on both sides of this table and "reference only" is definitely not the path to head down...
Dale Ritzen, CQA
Quality Manager
Austin Manufacturing Services
Austin, TX
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 9:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] ISO and prototypes....
Steve,
If memory serves me right, just mark all of the documentation "reference only" and you should be okay for however you want to handle the assembly.
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