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Steve Gregory <[log in to unmask]>
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Larry,

First, let me commend you for bringing to light the kind of business 
practices that are probably not all that unusual for a market such as cell phones. 
Cell phones are practically given to you, as long as you sign-up for the service. 
It's almost like printers, you can buy a printer for next to nothing, but the 
first time you buy the ink cartridges, you probably pay more for a black 
cartridge and color cartridge, than you did for the printer.

Sad part about this is, the normal consumer doesn't know anything about this, 
and even if they did, would they really care? Maybe, maybe not. Just taking a 
wild guess, most would go for cheaper, no matter what...sad but true. Look at 
all the child labor stuff with Nike, and other big name companies...

I wish I knew what the magic bullet was to deal with this stuff, but I 
don't...

-Steve Gregory-




TECHNET COMMUNITY,

WE RECEIVED SOLICITATION FROM A FIRM(?) WANTING "ANY KIND" CELL PHONE BOARDS. 
AFTER REQUESTING MORE INFORMATION AS TO LAYER COUNT, ETC. THEY REPLIED 
CONFIRMING THE SUSPICIONS I VOICED TO OUR SALES MANAGER. THEY WANTED BOARDS OF OTHER 
COMPANIES FOR THEIR OWN USE!
I WAS ADVISED NOT TO REPLY FURTHER, AND PASS THIS ON TO WARN OTHERS, SOME 
DIRTY BUSINESS MAY BE BEING TRIED OPENLY.
CORRESPONDENCE TO DATE AS FOLLOWS;
-----Original Message-----
From: mohamedkhair elnour [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:52 PM
To: russell(ù¯À)
Subject: RE: cellular phone boards


DEAR SIR,
Thank you for your reply, but what we are looking for is: the boards that you 
assemble many patrs to it in  order to make cellular phone, actually iam not 
a technic person but ihave seen this boards in your internet site,
We are intersted in all NOKIA  models I do not now how many layers (but iwiil 
ask our technic team) and other modes like samsung (all model) and other cell 
phone  model (must be GSM).
any way if you got what i mean its ok. or iwill send another technic 
requirements.
thanks.
Mohamed khair alnoor
"russell(??)" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Dear Manager Alnoor,

Please give us more specifics regarding the type cell phone boards you 
require. We manufacture hundreds of models, mostly 6 layer and 4 layer. The size is 
important in pricing, as well as any special requirements such as laser 
drilling for high density. 
There is a tooling cost for any new design which is not dependent on 
quantity, and price reductions for quantities in a shipping lot, as well as total 
quatitiy.
Number of drill holes, type of finish required, minimum size of circuits and 
spaces and copper thickness as well as overall board thickness are needed for 
exact pricing. There is no minimum, but prices are very quantity dependent 
under a few thousand pieces.

From the engineering manager Ned King, here are some rough prices by square 
inch;
The rough cost is 
6 Layers , 1 stage STAGGER VIA , 20~25¢/ sq.inch FOB Taiwan.
6 Layers , SKIP VIA, 25~30¢/ sq.inch FOB Taiwan.
8 Layers , 1 stage STAGGER VIA , 25~30¢/ sq.inch FOB Taiwan.
8 Layers , SKIP VIA, 35~40¢/ sq.inch FOB Taiwan.

We look forward to hearing more from you and building a working relationship 
with you.

Best Regards,
Larry Russell
Consultant
Chant World International
2, Ho Chun S., Chung Li Industry Park
Chung Li, Taiwan R.O.C. 320
www.cwi.com.tw
Phone  886-3-451-1277 Ext. 365
Fax       886-3-461-3917

 -----Original Message-----
From: mohamedkhair elnour [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:42 PM
To: eric.wu(§d©vŲ)
Subject: cellular phone boards


ATTN : MR.WANG CHING-UEI (PRESIDENT)
FROM ; FALCON PHONE& ELCTRONICS
            ABU-DHABI -UAE
            PHONE No: +971-02-6351887
            FAX          :  +971-02-6351887
            Mobile      :   +971-50-526-9988

DEAR SIR,

we are looking for cell phone boards, all kinds, we found your information in 
the internet.
please send us your quotation (fob) (cif) plus the minimum quantity.
we are looking forward to hearning from you.
You can email it or fax it.

best regards,
MOHAMED KHAIR ALNOOR
MANAGER

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