if your contract do not have agreement on quality regarding the
assembly, tough luck...steve..  Normally, after the qualification of the
vendor PWB, you can sign up special clause with add on price (usually
5-10%) for quality assurance.  If anything related to the board level
failure, you will charge full assembly cost to the PWB vendor (as long
as the preliminary FA indicated the PWB failure is the cause) plus the
down time if it has any (if the replace board is not in on-time...you
usually has minimum two date code lots in production...we are talking
about large volume here)....If you are high mix low volume...tough
luck... Normally, who ever sign up such contract, don't have quality
problem...the one refuse to sign up, you don't need them ..(if you are
large volume big guy with clots)...The key is to keep the production
going, before solve the who at fault...(the 5-10% add on cost is almost
like insurance policy).
                                                              jk

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen R. Gregory [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: June 18, 2001 10:14 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [TN] "Touchy" Question...


Hi All Ya'll... 

I know what I'm about to ask, may seem petty, but I'll ask anyway... 

Those of you that read my posts earlier about the delamination/blister
deal, 
well this is related to that. 

Is the persuit to finding out what happened with *these two" boards
worth the 
time, lab services, etc...worth it? 

Like I said earlier, it's only two assemblies...$1,500 dollars at the
most, a 
decent amount of money to me (I could do a lot with $1,500 dollars), but
a 
barely a drop in the bucket in the overall scheme of things... 

The reason that I'm asking this question, is because I was enlightened
by one 
of the buyers that even if we do determine that there was a problem with

these *TWO* fabs, the vendor probably will give us two new replacement
fabs, 
but we can write the components off, as well as our labor...is that
pretty 
standard? 

Like I also said, this is the first time this has happened, with
everything 
that was shipped to us since November last year...everything has been
pretty 
good. Reflecting here at home, with a brew in my hand, me thinks I might
be 
making much ado about nothing...I'll keep this in the ol' memory banks,
and 
if it gets worse, then I have a history to base my "whinings" on... 

So, learned ones, should I go the lab route and analyze everything to
"inth" 
degree? Or just realize that it maybe was a fluke, and keep an eye out
for 
the same deal in the future? If it does get worse, then would be the
time for 
thumb-screws...but part of me says; "Steve, why wait for it to get
worse?" 

As always, all ya'll, are the best... 

-Steve Gregory-