I saw the movie, not sure if that's exactly what it was called, but I know
what you're talking about. So IPC should basically give its standards and
training materials out to the industry for free to help it out.
Consequently, shut down due to lack of revenue. Isn't what you're saying
going to benefit the industry once and never again?
IPC cannot function like the government and subsidize development without
getting some kind of income. The government gets your taxes (unless one
figures out clever loopholes and doesn't want to pay their due), IPC doesn't
(that's why it charges for its standards).
Companies like Hallmark, Coretec, Mentor and Overland can help the designers
more directly because its core business is in another area and very
profitable. IPC mainly relies on membership dues (how much was the DC
membership again, $50? per year?) and sale of standards, among some other
things.
I see how what you're proposing would benefit the industry in the next year,
but 2, 3 or 5 years from now, who will? I suspect another entity would arise
to fill that void with the same intent of supporting its continued
existence. Do we then we can ask them to give away its standards just the
same "for the sake of the industry"... and then repeat the cycle?
Keeping in mind most volunteers are doing it as a "side job" to get
visibility and other intangible benefits, why would anyone even bother
investing in creating, promoting and updating standards?
Like I said, if volunteers can find it in their hearts to contribute much
more than they do now (ie travel/hotel and time), for example coordinating
and signing off on meeting room contracts, catering, promotion campaigns,
graphics work, etc., the list goes on... basically satisfy all the
requirements of creating such reliable standards, why don't they?
Hint: it would cost too much time and effort (not just once, but on an
ongoing basis) and they would probably end up having to charge people for
the standards like IPC.
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Brooks,Bill
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 4:53 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] IPC Design Specifications
Nick... I see what you are saying...
It just doesn't work that way in my mind.
From where I stand, The industry as a whole stands to gain the most from
better trained designers... why not have 'the industry' help fund their
education? They make grants and scholarships to colleges and universities,
they support their political affiliations, why not invest in the designer
community that stands to make them the most profit through adopting better
design practices? Some companies already see this and are doing something
about it...
We expect our government to spend money on R&D to further our economic
strength... well, why not support the designers of the products we want to
fuel our economy with? 'Pay it Forward' so to speak... you ever see that
movie? If not, you should rent it... what a great concept. Just like
designers need to invest in their careers, the PCB industry and the
foundations that support industry need to invest in its PCB Designers.
That's where I am coming from... but hey it's just an idea... maybe it will
never catch on... or then again it might... and what companies are going to
get to claim the honors and praise from it if it does catch on and the
industry invests in it's designer community... ? I know Coretec and Mentor
are investing in the Designer community now... I'm sure there are others
that designers can name that have been big heroes, like Hallmark Circuits
for one, like Overland Storage for another, who helped the local Designers
here... I think there is a great opportunity here to 'raise the bar' to a
higher level and really make an investment in the DC... make it a much
stronger force for bringing together designers and industry and
strengthening our place in the world. We just need to see folks think of it
as an investment in their own futures as corporations.
Then someday making specs available will be a trivial matter. And they won't
have to do all the copy protection 'stuff' to the disks. The DC will be in
the black instead of the red... and I will keep hoping for the day. Who
knows I may see it in my lifetime... it could happen.... not everyone is a
mercenary.
Bill Brooks - KG6VVP
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.+, C.I.I.
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Ban (PCBL) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:55 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] IPC Design Specifications
When you take the top-mgmt compensation and prop it up against the overall
costs (many specified below), it just won't compare. As much as I'd like to
believe that it could, I seriously doubt that by reducing - even completely
eliminating - top management compensation will put any kind of significant
dent in the cost of the standards, forget about 'slashing' the price to make
them much more affordable.
Programming, website management, graphics design, meeting planning,
production, training, accounting, and customer support all sum up to much
more than what top management makes, and this is only staff compensation.
Then factor in the other operational costs.
Our capitalistic society will find a way of doing things cheaper. If someone
in the electronics industry knew that they can earn a decent living
creating, producing, promoting, selling, and updating reliable and ANSI
approved standards of the same caliber as IPC's ****at cheaper cost****, I'm
inclined to believe they would have done it already, especially during the
industry's poor employment conditions of the past few years.
Nick
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