Mark,

Doing surface mount since 1977!!!!  Sounds like the IPC should have been consulting with you when compiling their standards.

Steve Smith
 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Larson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:32 PM
> To: '(Designers Council Forum)'; Steve Smith
> Subject: RE: [DC] C.I.D.Certification Exam
> 
> 
> Hey, I started in 1977 too, doing double sided surface mount boards no
> less, I was lucky not only for that but because my manager 
> had seen fit
> to join IPC and get the COMPLETE set of documents. Wasn't a 
> word on SMT
> in it though at the time. I had no alternative but to look at 
> assembled
> boards and talk to the guy that was in charge of the SMT line 
> (everybody
> did mfg in house back then)Since I had no idea what I was doing and
> there was nobody to tell me I had no choice but to read the IPC specs
> and the Bishop catalog.  Little did I know that's the way you SHOULD
> learn pcb design.
> 
> Well I guess you'll have to substitute an experienced designer for the
> Bishop catalog now. Anybody get fewer than 1 wrong on the test?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Steve Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:55 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [DC] C.I.D.Certification Exam
> 
> 
> I agree.  I, like Bill Brooks, sweated through the exam and was very
> nervous while waiting for the results (87%, would have been 
> 90% if I had
> not gone back and changed some of my answers); not only 
> because the test
> was hard but because I, not my company, would have to foot 
> the bill if I
> did not pass.  I also believe the test to be a valuable tool and not
> easy, but some people have great short term memory and do test well no
> matter the subject.
> 
> The "rookie" at my test was being forced to take the test by a
> supervisor even though this person had never layed out a board before.
> This person barely passed and I believe will go on to be a 
> good designer
> but I would not recommend anyone without 2+ years of 
> experience try it.
> I would never dream that anyone but a very experienced designer could
> pass the C.I.D.+ test.  I have been designing boards since 
> 1977 and have
> not convinced myself to take it, and the stress, yet. 
> 
> 
> My regards,
> Steve Smith, C.I.D.
> Product Engineer
> 
> Staco Energy Products Co.
> 301 Gaddis Boulevard.
> Dayton, OH 45403
> Telephone: (937) 253-1191 Ext. 158
> Fax: (937) 253-1723
> E-mail: [log in to unmask]  
> Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com 
> & www.stacopower.com 
>  
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of 
> > Brand, Rodney
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:18 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [DC] C.I.D.Certification Exam
> > 
> > 
> > I think that C.I.D. Certification Exam is a great idea. The 
> only bad 
> > point is that it can not measure the ability of the person to apply 
> > and comprehend the material included in the study guides.
> > 
> > I have see a mechanical designer study the material and 
> pass the test 
> > with better scores than a EE designer then fail to apply 
> the knowledge
> 
> > to designs. Which later resulted in dismissal and a quick hire at 
> > another place and another dismal after nonperformance. Some people 
> > have great memories and test really well.
> > 
> > My conclusion is that if you can read the technical jargon
> > contained and
> > remember it then you will pass the test ill regardless of the 
> > ability to
> > apply the contents.
> > 
> > My observations and conclusions are my own and not my employers.
 

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