Mark, Doing surface mount since 1977!!!! Sounds like the IPC should have been consulting with you when compiling their standards. Steve Smith > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Larson [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:32 PM > To: '(Designers Council Forum)'; Steve Smith > Subject: RE: [DC] C.I.D.Certification Exam > > > Hey, I started in 1977 too, doing double sided surface mount boards no > less, I was lucky not only for that but because my manager > had seen fit > to join IPC and get the COMPLETE set of documents. Wasn't a > word on SMT > in it though at the time. I had no alternative but to look at > assembled > boards and talk to the guy that was in charge of the SMT line > (everybody > did mfg in house back then)Since I had no idea what I was doing and > there was nobody to tell me I had no choice but to read the IPC specs > and the Bishop catalog. Little did I know that's the way you SHOULD > learn pcb design. > > Well I guess you'll have to substitute an experienced designer for the > Bishop catalog now. Anybody get fewer than 1 wrong on the test? > > -----Original Message----- > From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > Steve Smith > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:55 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [DC] C.I.D.Certification Exam > > > I agree. I, like Bill Brooks, sweated through the exam and was very > nervous while waiting for the results (87%, would have been > 90% if I had > not gone back and changed some of my answers); not only > because the test > was hard but because I, not my company, would have to foot > the bill if I > did not pass. I also believe the test to be a valuable tool and not > easy, but some people have great short term memory and do test well no > matter the subject. > > The "rookie" at my test was being forced to take the test by a > supervisor even though this person had never layed out a board before. > This person barely passed and I believe will go on to be a > good designer > but I would not recommend anyone without 2+ years of > experience try it. > I would never dream that anyone but a very experienced designer could > pass the C.I.D.+ test. I have been designing boards since > 1977 and have > not convinced myself to take it, and the stress, yet. > > > My regards, > Steve Smith, C.I.D. > Product Engineer > > Staco Energy Products Co. > 301 Gaddis Boulevard. > Dayton, OH 45403 > Telephone: (937) 253-1191 Ext. 158 > Fax: (937) 253-1723 > E-mail: [log in to unmask] > Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com > & www.stacopower.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of > > Brand, Rodney > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:18 PM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [DC] C.I.D.Certification Exam > > > > > > I think that C.I.D. Certification Exam is a great idea. The > only bad > > point is that it can not measure the ability of the person to apply > > and comprehend the material included in the study guides. > > > > I have see a mechanical designer study the material and > pass the test > > with better scores than a EE designer then fail to apply > the knowledge > > > to designs. Which later resulted in dismissal and a quick hire at > > another place and another dismal after nonperformance. Some people > > have great memories and test really well. > > > > My conclusion is that if you can read the technical jargon > > contained and > > remember it then you will pass the test ill regardless of the > > ability to > > apply the contents. > > > > My observations and conclusions are my own and not my employers. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DesignerCouncil Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF DesignerCouncil. To set a vacation stop for delivery of DesignerCouncil send: SET DesignerCouncil NOMAIL Search previous postings at: www.ipc.org > On-Line Resources & Databases > E-mail Archives Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------