Speaking from what I do as a fab type: We create a panelization drawing (AutoCAD DWG) and submit for approval. This drawing contains all relevant data, tooling holes, fiducials, dimensions, and machining guidelines. We then create our stepped gerber files. If a paste file is supplied it is stepped at the same time. I thought ALL fab houses did this!! My customers seem to expect this type of service, leading me to believe that this was the industry norm. "Manual" Panelization involves creating many '1up' images and cut and pasting together, very common in the old "hand-taped' days. All CAD packages I know of have Panelization available as an option if not standard already. Some will even optimize the configuration. In regard to stencils, even if the paste layers get missed or otherwise, a drawing as noted above can be used. Send the stencil house the one up gerber, the panel drawing and some way (preferably fiducial dimensions) to lock the image to the panel. If you would like to see a sample of what I mean, I can send you one. Joe Duclos - New Product Engineer ECC Corp -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stephen R. Gregory Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 7:12 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] Panelized Gerber Files... Hi ya'll! Gotta' question, I've been getting boards panelized here that have been single boards previously. My part is to specify what the maximum panel size should be, and ask that .5" rails be put on two parallel sides of the panel. The buyer then communicates this to our fab vendors and has them do the panelization. I ask that buyer tell the fab vendor to email me the panelized gerbers so I can get a stencil made for the panel. Sounds simple enough huh? But I found that a few of our vendors have told the buyer that this is not something they normally do...or the latest thing that I was told was that they do the panelization manually? I don't understand... I'm not educated enough about this, but I thought that a single image gerber is just stepped-and-repeated to give you the panel which is used to photoplot the artwork that the fab vendor has to have to build the fab. The file has to exist or the fab vendor wouldn't be able to make fab, right? So why am I getting such resistance when I ask for the panelized gerbers? What am I missing? I can still get a stencil made without the panelized gerbers, but I have to wait until the paneled fab actually gets here so I can send it to my stencil vendor with the single image gerber...my stencil vendor will take care of the step-and-repeat, but it's kind of a hassle. It would be so simple to do things by email... -Steve Gregory- ############################################################## TechNet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ############################################################## To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TECHNET <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TECHNET ############################################################## Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information. If you need assistance - contact Gayatri Sardeshpande at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5365 ############################################################## ############################################################## TechNet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ############################################################## To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TECHNET <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TECHNET ############################################################## Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information. If you need assistance - contact Gayatri Sardeshpande at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5365 ##############################################################