Rod.. I think your reply to Steve was painted with a very large brush taking broad strokes. I don't think he was implying that the COMPANY was knowingly trying to mislead him, but rather the action of a salesperson may not have been totally professional. He mentioned ONE incident and you act like he is slandering the whole industry..Talking about taking something out of context!! Your generalizations: "most suppliers willing to listen" "On most cases" "I have found the "rumors" mostly untrue. They almost always have been exaggerated." Maybe Steve had one of the NOT-MOST salespersons and trusted what was said and beleives he (his company) was being misled (of course he inherited the situation since he's been there only a short time). I'd be upset also. He's just looking out for his employer and I would have him on my team anytime!! "not a rouge engineer" Totally uncalled for, he never referred to you as a pompous ***. Keep it professional, not personal!! "In conclusion, if this happened by any member of my staff, I would have no choice but immediate termination." Sounds like another example of keep your mouth shut and don't rock the boat. I would have quit a long time ago. Steve G'.. I know that you can take defend yourself, but I hate it when someone takes something out of context and lectures to all. Hey, have a great day to all.. Regards, Bob Vanech Bob BVAN Enterprise ############################################################## TechNet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ############################################################## To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TECHNET <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TECHNET ############################################################## Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information. If you need assistance - contact Gayatri Sardeshpande at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5365 ##############################################################