Paul: You have hit on a subject that I have a specific interest in. AS a supplier of multi-layer boards since 1979 I have found that the end user has little interest in how boards are built or, more importantly, how large an impact their design can have on performance and profitability. I believe in the Charles Deming model of co-operative engineering and have worked to conduct my service offerings in that manner. I can tell you I do not get alot of support because it means the customer can't just send a design and a P.O.. They have to work too!! I believe the best way to serve a customer and keep them for the long term is to provide this value added service. For the most part I have found customers AND vendors just don't want to be bothered. But, they both want the highest profit result from this paradigm. It just does not work. What have you found? Charlie McMahon McMahon Sales Company ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Brown <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 5:39 PM Subject: [TN] PCB Manufacturers > Well > > So far we have managed to obtain about 5 replies from PCB manufacturers out > of how may thousands worldwide > > Can anyone suggest a way of getting them involved ? > > Surely its about time that the people that use PCB,s( PWB,s) started talking > to the people that make them! > > I used to be a specialty chemical supplier to the PCB industry in the UK and > realized a long time ago that users of pcbs don't talk to the manufacturers, > they send them a design and that's it > The problem is users don't often understand the processes involved in > manufacture > > Any comments > > ############################################################## > TechNet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c > ############################################################## > To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in > the body: > To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TECHNET <your full name> > To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TECHNET > ############################################################## > Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional > information. > If you need assistance - contact Gayatri Sardeshpande at [log in to unmask] or > 847-509-9700 ext.5365 > ############################################################## > ############################################################## TechNet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ############################################################## To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TECHNET <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TECHNET ############################################################## Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information. If you need assistance - contact Gayatri Sardeshpande at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5365 ##############################################################