Ingemar, I would not recommend washing the parts in your solution, just to get the line going again. Although the Nitric/Acetic mix does remove your vegetables (back to cooking in electronics?), just think about what its doing, its obviously dissolving out the Pb in the deposit, so think about what its doing to the solder balls, and any other joints that its coming into contact with. This stuff eats Cu and Ni etc, and probably does nasty things to soldermask too. Long term, and probably short term reliability would be suspect to say the least, and I would think I could hear the MIL people scream from over here. On trying to locate the source of the stuff, What is the history of this device and build layup, is the component etc new to you, or have you "been using it for years?" if you made this stack before, does this run use a new or different batch of the FR4, BGA etc?, it may be limited to a bad batch of something, and a quick change in product batch may help. Alternatively, have any parts been sitting out in stores for a couple of months? could be they have absorbed some nasties from the environment? I would love to see a picture of your growth, I need a new wallpaper for windows anyway and crystals tend to look funky, so please zap it over. Meanwhile, look on the bright side, if you get rid of this stuff, you could suggest to management that you have just completed a succesfull Pb reduction exercise, I understand is a kinda hot subject in some areas of industry?? Keep us all informed as to what the tests get back Roger ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [TN] BGA solder residues Author: [log in to unmask] at #email Date: 25/08/99 15:40 Will try that reflowing, Roger, good idea, will also try XPS for chemical determination. Roger, I tried to cook the cabbage in the following solution: 1part HNO3, 4parts glacial acetic acid, 10 parts H2O. The result was surprising. One dip 2 seconds in the solution (room temperature) and then rinsing in tap water and all crystals were gone! If we are desperados, do you think we dare to perform handcleaning the boards that way in order to avoid production stop? (The man with the saucers may have something to say, we are also making airborne electronics. Any bad feelings about the idea? Will the MIL people scream?) This did not tell why the crystals grow, that's still the headache, maybe your proposals will give something. If you want a photo of the cabbage, I can mail such a one to you, Roger. Or anyone else who is interested. See you / Ingemar > Ingemar, > > Have you tried "reflowing" the individual parts and seeing if they > bloom on their own? If your lucky, it could be due to a suspect single > component type if unlucky its a compound reaction from interactions. > (could be some gunk leaching out of ceramic etc Dont know about PbCO3 > but try something like an XPS analysis, which should more or less tell > you how the stuff is bonded together and in what relative > concentrations. > > Roger > Motorola AIEG > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > > Subject: [TN] BGA solder residues > Author: "TechNet E-Mail Forum." <[log in to unmask]> at #email > Date: 25/08/99 12:29 > > > Oumphf! > You can't pronounce that? Like me not being able to see what strange > roses we find between the balls after BGA on FR4 after 10 minutes in a > REHM heat conveyour oven. Top temp is +230 / 1 minute. Preheat is > included in the 10 minutes. Kester 229D is used (if a Kester man reads > this, please give a line or two in response. The residues grow to > something that reminds of roses or cabbage! Colour in daylight is white, > but the residues do not seem to belong to the ordinary white residues > (Tin Abiate, polymerized rosin and lead salts). Flakes are <<1micron > thick and up to 50microns in diameter. EDAX gives 99%Lead and bal is some > Tin and Carbon and other random elements. Not soluble in the usual > solvents like Ethylene, Perclorethylene, Acetone etc. And that is > natural, as the residues are inorganic. Kester 229D is not QPL'd. Paste > Sn62Pb36Ag2 is screenprinted on traditional Cu/Ni/Sn-pads. We have used > this Kester formula for years for other products without seeing cabbage > nor roses. BGA is ceramic C4 from Mota, number of balls (bumps) approx. > 25x25 matrix. > > Can it be PbCO3? The flux is RMA and contains clorides. > > The line is stopped, nothing will be delivered until the cabbage growth > is eliminated. Special question to SIRguru labs: can we send this job to > you if our qualification does not cover the need? > > Regards > Ingemar Hernefjord > Ericsson Microwave Systems >