Steve, Maybe you need to point out to them that a lot of the MIl Specs that they have on their shelves are defunct. That might make them sit up and take notice! regards, Bev Christian Nortel Networks PS Its a nice 73-75 F here in southeastern Ontario. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen R. Gregory [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 2:26 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [TN] Culture Changing...any ideas? > > Hey ya'll! > > Well, it's cooled down to a balmy 90-degrees here, and boy are my sweat > glands happy!...hehehe > > But email ain't to talk about my how much I perspire, but about changing > cultures. One of my "opportunities" as presented to me here is figuring > out > how to reduce costs (aren't we all trying to do that?). > > One of the things that I've noticed since I've been here, is that there is > that everything is looked at through MIL-SPEC shaded glasses...and I've > found > that boards we were building under IPC 610 class-II standards were being > touched-up un-neccessarily. Things that are maybe only a process > indicator, > but acceptable, are being reworked. For one example, dull solder joints > that > were caused because an active OA flux was left on longer than it should > have > been before cleaning has made the joints look dull. QA won't accept the > board > until all the solder joints are sparkling. I'll fix the problem about the > operators leaving the flux on too long before washing the board, but you > still don't need to touch every joint up! But I sure couldn't convince QA > of > that...and so on it goes. > > Part of the history here is that they've always done MIL-SPEC work here, > and > a lot of that work isn't as plentiful as it once was. One reason I fully > believe is because of the costs associated with building product to that > level of quality. At my last company we built product that was going on > the > space shuttle, but yet it only needed to meet 610 Class-II standards. It > wasn't any guidance stuff or anything like that, but even NASA is relaxing > things a bit. > > Class-II product is something new here, and I think I'm gonna have my > hands > full trying to get people out of that MIL-SPEC culture...it'll be hard to > make any money doing things that way with the difference in the margins > between MIL-SPEC and commercial class-II product.. > > Any suggestions anybody? > > Thanks ya'll! > > -Steve Gregory- > > ############################################################## > TechNet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c > ############################################################## > To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with > following text in > the body: > To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TECHNET <your full name> > To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TECHNET > ############################################################## > Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for > additional > information. > If you need assistance - contact Gayatri Sardeshpande at [log in to unmask] or > 847-509-9700 ext.5365 > ############################################################## ############################################################## TechNet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ############################################################## To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TECHNET <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TECHNET ############################################################## Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information. If you need assistance - contact Gayatri Sardeshpande at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.5365 ##############################################################