For my part, I admit to not really knowing much. That's been shown often, but I feel I must pose questions and provide answers often knowing they may not be adequate. I do this seeking a response. Gaby, Steve, Phil (s), Bev, Werner, and all you others respond very well with objective answers often available nowhere else. Simply, I get a little frustrated (and it probably shows too much) at my confusion about what I often think should be simple answers to simple questions (I don't know any other kinds). I mean, Werner (as an example) knows more stuff than I've learned or forgotten (a lot of stuff), but it's often like going through a maze with him to figure out what's being said - even while understanding there is so much to be considered. Granted, many issues whith which this forum deals are very technical and complex. Many must be sharred among us all or us little guys (majority) are going to keep making costly (to us all) mistakes and continuously asking the same old questions. I certainly agree with Steve about some folks trying to hide information while being sure he'll agree to seeing little of it on this forum. He sure doesn't hide a thing. Besides, are there really any "secrets" left or only questions not adequately asked to reveal them? Phil summarizes well factors concerning commercialism while indicating why little of it is practiced here for reasons he cited. All of us have something to sell, whether seeking financial reward or self satisfaction. Hell, in my mind, the best sales people are those willing to give it away first. Later, someone will buy it - if it works. Many of us are financially or time deprived making us unable to attend such vital, scholarly, and worldly events as those IPC presents while providing so much to ensure our industry's success. Also, as independents (some of us think we are), we lack what we often envy as those of you having most every tool and toy available to get answers we would only learn about much later (if at all) - if it were (again) not for such forums as this. Long live the IPC and internet. I receive far more good answers than I provide. Sometimes, I have to stick my neck out a bit too far to receive them. Earl Moon ################################################################ TechNet E-Mail Forum provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ################################################################ To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TechNet <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TechNet ################################################################ Please visit IPC's web site (http://www.ipc.org) "On-Line Services" section for additional information. For technical support contact Hugo Scaramuzza at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.312 ################################################################