Okay, I must be missing something. Can someone point me to the sentence that dictates the label is REQUIRED to be affixed? I see where it speaks to a label and the contents of the label terminology and visuals, but I can't for the life of me find where it says it HAS to be affixed to the packaging! I see a "should be", but I don't see a "must be" or "shall be" (Maybe it's too early!) Jan Pelchat ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [TN] ESD labels Author: Paul Klasek <[log in to unmask]> at 0UTG0ING Date: 9/24/98 8:08 AM Ian , in line of what George said (requirement of marking exists) ; I quickly churned through our tone of cycled bags and confirmed that apart from pinkies (unreliable substitution anyhow) all of the bags are marked with antistatic ("logo = label" ?) . The way I see it, printed or sticked makes no difference (unless you want to attach an assurance significance to the label "seal") . Somehow (perhaps wrongly) I presume the print is there for a reason ? Perhaps you folks work too hard ? See you Paul Klasek http://www.resmed.com > ---------- > From: George Franck[SMTP:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Wednesday, 23 September 1998 22:44 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [TN] ESD labels > > Ian, > IPC-A-610 requires that the Label be put on if the device requires ESD > handling. The determination that an assembly requires ESD handling is > made > by the design owner. The requirements usually appears as a note on > the > drawing. If there is no design information/specs given to the > supplier > concerning ESD, I would argue, as you do, that there is no label > requirement. > > If you have active components in the assembly, I would also argue that > the > design is incomplete, and that a note concerning the ESD status of the > assembly should be included in the design documentation. > > Now for the interesting question. Since the supplier did not affix an > ESD > label, can you infer that the assembly was NOT assemblied with ESD > handling > precautions. If this is the case, do you want the product? > > > "If you can't tell your suppliers what you want, don't be surprised > when you > don't get it." > > George Franck > Raytheon Systems > Falls Church Virginia > "My Opinions are just that." > > ---------- > From: Ian Squires <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [TN] ESD labels > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:14:08 PDT > > Guys/Gals/and those Undecided > Our PCB's are normally supplied to us with an ESD susceptibility > symbol > label affixed. Note the word normally, a supplier has sent in a batch > without this label. QA are now bugging me to reject as a non > conformance. I > think this is uneccessary as the contract doesn't call it up, they > though > are insisting that IPC-A-610rev B (which we ask the subbie to work > to) > makes this label a requirement......i disagree. Anybody want to take > my side > (or any QA ers want to close ranks). > As always thanks in advance > > > Regards > Ian Squires > Senior Production Engineer > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Graseby Dynamics Ltd > A Smiths Industries Company > Park Avenue, Bushey, Watford, Herts, WD2 2BW > Web Site: www.gradyn.co.uk > Phone: 01923-228566 xt 295 > Fax: 01923-221361 > E-mail: [log in to unmask] > > Registered in England no. 480992 > Registered office: > 765 Finchley Road, London, NW11 8DS > ------------------------------------------------------- > > ################################################################ > TechNet E-Mail Forum provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV > 1.8c > ################################################################ > To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with > following > text in the body: > To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TechNet <your full name> > To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TechNet > ################################################################ > Please visit IPC's web site (http://www.ipc.org) "On-Line Services" > section > for additional information. > For technical support contact Hugo Scaramuzza at [log in to unmask] or > 847-509-9700 ext.312 > ################################################################ > > > > > ################################################################ > TechNet E-Mail Forum provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV > 1.8c > ################################################################ > To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with > following text in the body: > To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TechNet <your full name> > To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TechNet > ################################################################ > Please visit IPC's web site (http://www.ipc.org) "On-Line Services" > section for additional information. > For technical support contact Hugo Scaramuzza at [log in to unmask] or > 847-509-9700 ext.312 > ################################################################ > ################################################################ TechNet E-Mail Forum provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ################################################################ To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TechNet <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TechNet ################################################################ Please visit IPC's web site (http://www.ipc.org) "On-Line Services" section for additional information. 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