Walter, As stated before if you call I will be happy to help. As far as I know there may be a more connected group of Cadnetix users in Europe or Asia for things like email forums etc. There is no support for Cadnetix in the US other than Intergraph does have a consulting group you can hire to get help. Just for your info thought Cadnetix libraires consist of four entities Symbols, Shapes, Pads & Drawings. The basic directory structure or file locations are Cabinets, Folders & Libraries. Each structure can have a search path to locate pads drawings shapes and symbols. The entire concept of Cadnetix is that everything has an "attribute", by selecting any item or positioning the cursor over an item you can hit the attribute key to see or change those attributes. This includes the folder/library/cabinet to change the search path. By libraries do you mean just shapes/pads. If so each shape viewed up and pads can be defined for all layers or just top,bot,inner, where all inner layers would have the same positive pads. You also define a thermal pad and am anti pad which of course would be a clearance pad on a neg plane. I am not sure how pads defines their pads from what you describe. In the shape editor attribute outside edit area and you can define default pad,antipad&thermal pad. Then use softkeys to place pads, which there also you can change what pads are actually placed in shape. Again this is all I thinks I can explain over email. If you call I think I could pretty much get you on the road to doing almost anything you need in under a half hour. thanks Robert M. Wolfe -----Original Message----- From: Walter Williams [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 11:56 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [DC] Cadnetix apologies Hello again I would like to apologize for my comment about Cadnetix being an antiquated system. I had not realized that there were so many of you out there still using it. Our company stopped using it when Intergraph announced that it trashing it for VeryBest. The CAD that I have been using is Pads PowerPCB. I have been using Pads software since version 2 of Pads PCB (almost 10 years now) Pads has a library which map "decals" with part names and attributes. I guess I'm thinking that Cadnetix works on much the same way. The questions I need to ask is: Is the library that Cadnetix uses, is it simular to the Pads library? If not, how does the Cadnetix library work? and where is it located? Is there an E-mail forum for Cadnetix users? Is there a WEB sight which has Cadnetix help? Thanks in advance ################################################################ DesignerCouncil E-Mail Forum provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ################################################################ To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE DesignerCouncil <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF DesignerCouncil ################################################################ Please visit IPC's web site (http://www.ipc.org) "On-Line Services" section for additional information. For technical support contact Hugo Scaramuzza at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.312 ################################################################ ################################################################ DesignerCouncil E-Mail Forum provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ################################################################ To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE DesignerCouncil <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF DesignerCouncil ################################################################ Please visit IPC's web site (http://www.ipc.org) "On-Line Services" section for additional information. For technical support contact Hugo Scaramuzza at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.312 ################################################################