Walter, In answer to your question about help on Cadnetix. Only antiquated if your on an old Cadnetix proprietary box, don't there are any of those left. On a Sparc seat it performs very well. I would be willing to say that Cadnetix is STILL the easiest system to learn I have ever looked at. I would be willing to take a guy off the street with no CAD experience and have him put out a board in 2 weeks, I do not believe you can say that for any other system. However I will give you the fact that Cadnetix is about 10 years old with of course no real updates in the last 6 or so. It does not have any of the latest routing features etc. But it can still get a board done very well. If you need help I can be reached at 203-882-6405 or if you feel email will do [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> The above is only an opinion and may not reflect the opinion of management. Robert M. Wolfe ################################################################ DesignerCouncil E-Mail Forum provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ################################################################ To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE DesignerCouncil <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF DesignerCouncil ################################################################ Please visit IPC's web site (http://www.ipc.org) "On-Line Services" section for additional information. For technical support contact Hugo Scaramuzza at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.312 ################################################################