Hello Joe, Try the Seetrax "RANGER" system for around $5000. I have used their software for 10 years and have found it far superior to others such as CADSTAR or PADS. I am also using Mentor Graphics but often find a quicker result with Ranger. You can view their website at www.seetrax.com. Hope this helps. David Hill ################################################################ DesignerCouncil E-Mail Forum provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ################################################################ To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE DesignerCouncil <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF DesignerCouncil ################################################################ Please visit IPC web site (http://jefry.ipc.org/forum.htm) for additional information. For the technical support contact Dmitriy Sklyar at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.311 ################################################################