Marti: Try contacting Frank Wach at Northrop Grumman. His email address is [log in to unmask] I worked at Northrop in Rolling Meadows back in 1987. I think Roy was there then. Good luck in your search. Ellen Berkman Excalibur Systems ################################################################ TechNet E-Mail Forum provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ################################################################ To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TechNet <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TechNet ################################################################ Please visit IPC web site (http://jefry.ipc.org/forum.htm) for additional information. For the technical support contact Dmitriy Sklyar at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.311 ################################################################