A Peder IPC-6012 says that when you visually inspect the board before thermal stress, you shall not have any lifted lands. In the "After Themal Stress" section they are allowed on the coupon, provided you passed the previous visual inspection of the board. You must remember that the visual inspection of the board in the as received condition and the inspection of the microsections of the thermally stressed coupons are two different inspections and will have different requirements. Phil Hinton ############################################################## TechNet Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ############################################################## To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE TECHNET <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF TECHNET ############################################################## Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information. For the technical support contact Dmitriy Sklyar at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.311 ##############################################################