Boy I worked at a place once and the CAD vendors did such a job selling the Engineering Mgt. that "we were going to assign all the rules, let the thing autoplace the board, then autoroute it as well" We use the heck out of our autorouters here. Autoplacers are as someone said "the most expensive unused software in town". Thanks, Leonard Toohey CAD vendors though do not put their focus on these things. Automated tools, such as autorouting and (believe it or not) autoplacement sell systems. Why? Because these vendors know who writes the check in the end. It isn't the pcb designer, but a manager of some sort, who may only posess a dim knowledge of the design process. Ken Barrett Cisco Systems ELB ############################################################## IPC Designers Council Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ############################################################## To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE DESIGNERCOUNCIL <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF DESIGNERCOUNCIL ############################################################## Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information. For the technical support contact Dmitriy Sklyar at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.311 ############################################################## ############################################################## IPC Designers Council Mail List provided as a free service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8c ############################################################## To subscribe/unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in the body: To subscribe: SUBSCRIBE DESIGNERCOUNCIL <your full name> To unsubscribe: SIGNOFF DESIGNERCOUNCIL ############################################################## Please visit IPC web site (http://www.ipc.org/html/forum.htm) for additional information. For the technical support contact Dmitriy Sklyar at [log in to unmask] or 847-509-9700 ext.311 ##############################################################