Real easy answer....STUPIDITY, STUPIDITY, STUPIDITY...I'll take a good seasoned DESIGNER over an operator anytime!!! If you can get both, great, but I would certainly prefer to train a good designer on a CAD system, then try to train a good cad operator to be a designer....Takes awhile.. Don't believe the SALES guy that anyone can operate his MAGIC PUSH BUTTON SYSTEM and out pops a complex design... That's part of the Santa Claus/Easter Bunny ploy...enof said...Have a great day.. Regards, Bob Vanech Bob Norden Systems