I accidentally sent the reply below without copying TechNet. Beg to differ on below comments. My Reply: Pink ring is not a new problem. Check the literature for past articles. Three that come to mind: "Pink Ring: Beyond Surface Inspection," by Patricia Goldman (Enthone-OMI), IPC Technical Paper # IPC-TP-741. (General discussion of causes and need for complete process optimization) "Mechanical Solutions to Pink Ring," by Glenn Heath (Tektronix/Merix), IPC Technical Paper # IPC-TP-964. (comparison of drill geometries and effect on pink ring - pretty interesting!) "The Pink Ring Condition in Multilayer PCBs: an industrial collaborative research programme," by S. Graham et al, published in Circuit World, Vol. 16 No. 4, 1990. (detailed, statistical treatment of causes and remedies for pink ring - very good) I have two of these. There are other papers, too. P.S. - there is some pretty strong evidence that drilling does indeed "cause" pink ring (at least start it), most likely by causing some vibration and damage to the resin right around the hole being drilled. Read Glenn's article! Patty ---------- From: Lenny Kurup To: mbyrne Cc: TechNet; Miscantor Subject: Re: Re[2]: Mechanism of Wedge Void Formation Date: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 2:17PM Hi Matt, The problem of wedge void formation is, in most cases attributable to the oxide process, little, if any blame can be ascribed to "shotty" drilling. The oxide layer thickness is a key parameter to consider when trouble shooting, as well as lamination settings such as shifts in planarity, temp., pressure and even contamination issues, etc. Your description of possible causes matches what we have experienced, and, corrective actions have always resulted in process improvements. The pink-ring problem, indeed only appears after wet processing. Lenny Kurup Technical Representative EMX ENTERPRISES LTD. On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 [log in to unmask] wrote: > We found that a reduced oxide helped quite a bit. This means that the > inner layer processing is involved in the formation of wedge voids. > I'll bet that lamination cycles can adversely affect the boards too. > Drilling is, of course involved, & wet process brings out the defect. > > What problems do you have with reduced oxide? > > Matt Byrne > HADCO-Owego > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: Mechanism of Wedge Void Formation > Author: [log in to unmask] at SMTPLINK-HADCO > Date: 7/15/97 06:37 AM > > > wedge voids are usually a start of shotty drilling - then seepage of solution > through the voids and that solution then starts attacking oxide layer - which > inturn leads to pinkring. Dm will not make a difference - actually if > drilling is still primary cause - will be the same or worse - since Dm is > thinner coating. A reduced oxide layer can eliviate problem to a certain > degree - but then - reduced oxide brings in a problem of it's own. > > regards > > Richard Fudalewski > > Atotech Canada > > *************************************************************************** > * TechNet mail list is provided as a service by IPC using SmartList v3.05 * > *************************************************************************** > * To subscribe/unsubscribe send a message <to: [log in to unmask]> * > * with <subject: subscribe/unsubscribe> and no text in the body. * > *************************************************************************** > * If you are having a problem with the IPC TechNet forum please contact * > * Dmitriy Sklyar at 847-509-9700 ext. 311 or email at [log in to unmask] * > *************************************************************************** > > > *************************************************************************** > * TechNet mail list is provided as a service by IPC using SmartList v3.05 * > *************************************************************************** > * To subscribe/unsubscribe send a message <to: [log in to unmask]> * > * with <subject: subscribe/unsubscribe> and no text in the body. * > *************************************************************************** > * If you are having a problem with the IPC TechNet forum please contact * > * Dmitriy Sklyar at 847-509-9700 ext. 311 or email at [log in to unmask] * > *************************************************************************** > > *************************************************************************** * TechNet mail list is provided as a service by IPC using SmartList v3.05 * *************************************************************************** * To subscribe/unsubscribe send a message <to: [log in to unmask]> * * with <subject: subscribe/unsubscribe> and no text in the body. * *************************************************************************** * If you are having a problem with the IPC TechNet forum please contact * * Dmitriy Sklyar at 847-509-9700 ext. 311 or email at [log in to unmask] * *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** * TechNet mail list is provided as a service by IPC using SmartList v3.05 * *************************************************************************** * To subscribe/unsubscribe send a message <to: [log in to unmask]> * * with <subject: subscribe/unsubscribe> and no text in the body. * *************************************************************************** * If you are having a problem with the IPC TechNet forum please contact * * Dmitriy Sklyar at 847-509-9700 ext. 311 or email at [log in to unmask] * ***************************************************************************