Hello, The polyimide material is somewhat hygroscopic and brittle. Consequently, you will need to bake it if you are going to thermally process it after a storage period. Failure to do so will result in delamination. The questions, as you mentioned, are when baking is necessary and what baking conditions to use. I have not tested polyimide personally, but I have considerable experience testing cyanate ester, which exhibits similar behavior regarding moisture retention to polyimide. I found that after 60 days of storage in a typical air conditioned environment, it is best to pre-bake the pcb's prior to thermal processing. The "typical" storage environment is 40-50% RH and 22-25 deg C. Your environment is a bit more severe, so I would suggest baking after 30 to 45 days. Certainly, any boards coming in from the field for repair or rework should be baked. A typical bake profile is 110 deg C for 8 hrs. The boards can be stacked flat in the oven, but no more than 5 or 6 high. It is preferable to have the boards vertically oriented and separated in a convection oven for the best efficiency. The bake time can be shortened somewhat by using a higher temperature, e.g.., you may be able to bake for 4 hrs at 130C. I'm not sure if vacuum will help because the limiting factor is diffusion of the water out of the board, which is strongly influenced by temperature (T^3/2). The high Tg materials like polyimide and cyanate ester are not as forgiving to moisture as FR-4. While FR-4 absorbs moisture almost as readily as the high Tg materials, it gets soft during thermal processing allowing the vaporized moisture to escape. The brittle, high-Tg materials do not easily allow moisture to escape resulting in delamination or stress fracturing. Regards, Denis Mori Hewlett-Packard ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: GEN- H2O Bake out Author: Non-HP-Gino-Cochella ([log in to unmask]) at HP-Roseville,shargw3 Date: 5/16/97 12:42 PM 5/16/97 GEN: H2O Bake out 12:40 PM Hello everybody: We are trying to determine if a moisture removal bake is necessary for hand (sol dering iron) and/or automated (screen print/vapor phase) multilayer PWB assembly . If baking is required, then what conditions should be used (time, temp, vacuum, etc.)? What influence does extended storage under ambient conditions (60%R.H. 70oF) hav e? Does anyone use a drybox for storage? Once boards entered the assembly area (and baked - if necessary), how long befor e a re-bake is required? We primarily use Type GIN glass/polyimide materials for passive chip SMT. Board s that get assembled within a few days after fabrication would probably NOT requ ire a bake, but we have to allow for extended storage - up to 5 years from date of manufacture. Thank you in advance for any help Gino Cochella (310) 814-3955 TRW Inc. *************************************************************************** * TechNet mail list is provided as a service by IPC using SmartList v3.05 * *************************************************************************** * To subscribe/unsubscribe send a message [log in to unmask]> * * with and no text in the body. * *************************************************************************** * If you are having a problem with the IPC TechNet forum please contact * * Dmitriy Sklyar at 847-509-9700 ext. 311 or email at [log in to unmask] * ***************************************************************************