Doug--following is some more info to help you select a training facility, and to explain to you how we do business. Training can be provided several ways. We at the EMPF could customize a training plan incorporating your in house specifications. Then, we would train the employees and provide certification that they meet these requirements. If you do not have an in-house specification we can provide training in IPC-A-610B or J-STD-001, or any other spec you identify as desirable to you. We would typically start with an "off-the-shelf" 610 or J-STD-001 training program, both of which have an Instructor training component and a Worker Proficiency component. The Instructor training course trains individuals to conduct training to present or future employees. We are designated as a Master Training Site by the IPC for the 610 courses, and are bound by contract to some defined guidelines if we are going to provide "610" certification. We can, however, modify that training under a different name, and with OUR OWN rather than IPC certification. We have done this in the past the meet the requirements of a company that also has to work to NASA specifications. We would provide lesson plans for the Instructor and a set of approx. 600 color 35mm slides (for the 610 training) or b/w masters to make transparencies (J-STD). Of course, we could provide color transparencies or color 35mm slides for the J-STD or a custom developed course, but the color slides aren't included in the basic J-STD course we provide. Of course, the least expensive is to use an "off the shelf" course, but this may not meet all your needs, or it may provide training that is superfluous to your companies needs. Our J-STD Instructor Training is specifically built to be tailorable by your instructors. This gives the instructor all the materials he/she needs to immediately start your training program. To meet IPC requirements, the 610 document needs to be covered completely but the J-STD- can be divided into different modules. Each module lasts one day and includes: (1) General information (no hands-on, can be stand-a-lone, and is required as prior to any of the other four modules), (2) wires and terminals, (3) through-hole assemblies, (4) surface mount assemblies, and (5) inspection. Modules 2-5 all include hands-on to develop the minimum skills required to train others. There is no "hands-on" component for the 610 course, unless it were customized and identified as something else. To reiterate, that would preclude providing the IPC certification, but we could provide our own. As of this date, 5/22/97, THERE IS NO IPC SANCTIONED TRAINING OR CERTIFICATION FOR THE J-STD-100B. I have seen some advertisements that "suggest" otherwise, so be careful as you are shopping. We also have a variety of courses ready to teach immediately that cover through-hole and surface mount rework and repair, surface mount manufacturing, no-clean process implementation, ball grid array manufacturing and rework, instructional techniques, printed wire board repair, SPC for Short Runs, and wave solder principles. The EMPF Learning Center has a proven success record in building custom training programs. We have done this for many companies, using their workmanship standards, and training their employees. Depending on the desires of the company we are working with, we typically provide theory lecture, test the employees for comprehension and understanding, and then we go to the production floor or work lab for hands-on training so they can develop and demonstrate proficiency in their job tasks. We work closely with the trainees during this period to "nip in the bud" any poor practices that might impact on product reliability, and the instructor offers suggestions for improvements as needed. The end goal is to certify the employees IF they perform satisfactorily. This is NOT a given certification, they must demonstrate proficiency. The most expedient method is to conduct existing training, either to some of your employees at one of our regularly scheduled classes, or to a group of your employees at your facility. We would appreciate the time to discuss this further, and show you examples of previous efforts. You can contact our Learning Center through the HelpLine at 317.655.3688, and of course, we can have additional dialogue by e-mail. We also invite you to visit our web site at http://www.empf.org Thank you for this opportunity to discuss our capabilities. Jack Crawford ***ALL NEW EMPF PHONE NUMBERS*** Jack Crawford, HelpLine Coordinator Electronics Mfg. 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