Bob, Happy New Year! Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it very much. The first week of December another co-worker and I went to Soltec in New Hampshire to look at the new Delta system. Soltec has a center support wire that can be moved out of position if necessary. I/We agree with your conclusion on elimination of expensive tooling by using that center support wire. The reason I put this on the TechNet was to see if anyone has used Electroverts or SEHOs machines with the center wire. It sounds like you are a believer in the technique for board support. Some of our panels are 12x18 and the center is kept open for support on those expensive fixtures you were talking about. I see you on the TechNet often with some good advice. Keep it up there are some guys out here listening to your experience. Thanks again and feel free to contact me on issues if you need to in the future. Have a great year. Ron ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Subj: Center Support Wire Author: [log in to unmask] at INTERNET Date: 1/6/97 6:33 PM You should be able to fit a wire support or a solid knife edge to both machines. Both machine suppliers should be able to do it for you but just do it yourself its not difficult to use either method. You need the center no go areas in your designs and this is probably the difficult thing to convince design engineers about but the saving on jigs and pallets is a definite bonus. You see this type of system on Far Eastern and European machines more than Electrovert. Having run training course for Electrovert for the last nine years it is amazing just how many people have never used this technique to support boards it saves money and improves yield. Bob Willis Process Engineering Consultant Electronic Presentation Services 2 Fourth Avenue, Chelmsford, Essex CM1 4HA. England. Tel: (44) 01245 351502 Fax: (44) 01245 496123 Home Page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bwillis Email: [log in to unmask] *************************************************************************** * TechNet mail list is provided as a service by IPC using SmartList v3.05 * *************************************************************************** * To unsubscribe from this list at any time, send a message to: * * [log in to unmask] with <subject: unsubscribe> and no text. * *************************************************************************** * If you are having a problem with the IPC TechNet forum please contact * * Dmitriy Sklyar at 847-509-9700 ext. 311 or email at [log in to unmask] * *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** * TechNet mail list is provided as a service by IPC using SmartList v3.05 * *************************************************************************** * To unsubscribe from this list at any time, send a message to: * * [log in to unmask] with <subject: unsubscribe> and no text. * *************************************************************************** * If you are having a problem with the IPC TechNet forum please contact * * Dmitriy Sklyar at 847-509-9700 ext. 311 or email at [log in to unmask] * ***************************************************************************