Received: by ccmail from mail-relay.eiws.esid.northgrum.com >From [log in to unmask] X-Envelope-From: [log in to unmask] Received: from fw1.eiws.esid.northgrum.com by mail-relay.eiws.esid.northgrum.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0votxi-0008E0C; Mon, 27 Jan 97 10:31 CST Received: from simon.ipc.org by fw1.eiws.esid.northgrum.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0votxh-0002yFC; Mon, 27 Jan 97 10:31 CST Received: from ipc.org by simon.ipc.org via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id KAA29042; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:21:20 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:21:20 -0800 Received: by ipc.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0vosMD-0000XKC; Mon, 27 Jan 97 08:48 CST Resent-Sender: [log in to unmask] Old-Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:57:09 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] (Doug McKean) Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: Paragon Networks Int'l X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: GEN: ISO and Calibration References: <v01540b00af0bd86f2674@[199.117.100.8]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pZQxL3.0.9GE.p0Cxo"@ipc> Resent-From: [log in to unmask] X-Mailing-List: <[log in to unmask]> archive/latest/9650 X-Loop: [log in to unmask] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [log in to unmask] Hi David, We aren't a board house nor an assembly house, but we are gearing up for ISO as we speak. IMO you are correct with assuming anything directly related to product conformance/quality to be put on a seperate calibrated log to be inspected by ISO. Everything in our house gets calibrated. Don't get me wrong. But, equipment is divided between those that fall under ISO "inspection" due to product quality acceptance and those that aren't. Example: A power supply used to power a board for testing. A digital volt meter (DVM) is used to check all the DC levels on the board as per a test procedure. The power supply does NOT need to be listed in an ISO calibration procedure. The DVM does. The same would be true if an O-Scope was used instead of a DVM. David Pizzoferrato wrote: > > Hello, > > I am looking for opinions and interpretations of the calibration > requirement for section 4.11, Control of Measuring and Test Equipment, of > ISO 9002. I contend, that by the strictest interpretation of the standard, > (not necesarily best practice) that as a manufacturer of PCBs, we need only > control and calibrate measuring and test equipment used to measure or test > product. > > Example: Calipers must be calibrated because they are used to measure > product to demonstrate conformance to specifications, Plating tank > rectifiers need not be calibrated because they are not used to measure > product conformance. > > And, paragraph one of section 4.11 reads as follows: > " The supplier shall establish and maintain documented procedures to > control, calibrate and maintain inspection, measuring and test equipment > (including test software) used by the supplier to demonstrate the > conformance of product to the specified requirements...." > > Now, dont get me wrong, we do calibrate our rectifiers (best practice) and > like equipment. I simply contend that the calibration of equipment, other > than equipment that is used to demonstrate PRODUCT conformance, is beyond > the scope of the requirement (ISO 9002). > > Sooooo, opinions anyone?? > > Dave Pizzoferrato > Quality Assurance Manager > Centerline Circuits > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > "Give me ambiguity or give me something else." > > *************************************************************************** > * TechNet mail list is provided as a service by IPC using SmartList v3.05 * > *************************************************************************** > * To unsubscribe from this list at any time, send a message to: * > * [log in to unmask] with <subject: unsubscribe> and no text. * > *************************************************************************** > * If you are having a problem with the IPC TechNet forum please contact * > * Dmitriy Sklyar at 847-509-9700 ext. 311 or email at [log in to unmask] * > *************************************************************************** -- ************************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------ The comments and opinions stated herein are mine alone, and do not reflect those of my employer. ------------------------------------------------------------ ************************************************************ *************************************************************************** * TechNet mail list is provided as a service by IPC using SmartList v3.05 * *************************************************************************** * To unsubscribe from this list at any time, send a message to: * * [log in to unmask] with <subject: unsubscribe> and no text. * *************************************************************************** * If you are having a problem with the IPC TechNet forum please contact * * Dmitriy Sklyar at 847-509-9700 ext. 311 or email at [log in to unmask] * *************************************************************************** REGARDING THE 4.11 CLAUSE IN ISO-9002: THE CORRECT WAY TO INTERPRET THIS CLAUSE LIES WITH YOUR REGISTRAR. IN GENERAL, ANYTHING DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT IS SUBJECT TO THE SPEC. THE ABOVE MENTIONED EXAMPLE OF POWER SUPPLY IS CORRECT PROVIDED THE SUPPLY IS NOT USED AS A PRECISION REFERENCE. YOU SHOULD PLAN ON HAVING A PRE-ASSESSMENT DONE PRIOR TO THE REGISTRAR COMING IN AND CONDUCTING THE THIRD PARTY AUDIT. THEY WILL UNCOVER ANY HIDDEN PROBLEMS AND HELP YOU RESOLVE THEM. HOPE THIS HELPS. G. 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