Paul: There is an alternate discussion forum that specifically targets the interests of PCB fabricators. This forum can be reached through the associated home page: http://www.pcbfab.com or can be subscribed to directly by sending the following e-mail message to: [log in to unmask] subject: subscribe message: subscribe fabnet to use it, you send messages to [log in to unmask] (incidently, the message that went out a few weeks ago, announcing this service, had incorrect instructions on how to subscribe, and some people who thought they had subscribed, may need to do this again.) One of the facets of this mail group is that all messages sent to pcbfabnet.com have the senders e-mail address removed, and thus are anonymous, unless the sender includes the address in the body of the message. This is done to allow people to discuss problems they are having without letting the world know that they are having these problems. Best regards, Rudy Sedlak