Another thing lots of Cad companies now have WWW pages and you can find out what they have there in terms of product offereing and the types of O/S's they run on. You will find the same for most hardware venders. Who is the mysterious man, well being A designer has it's merits and being involved with networks has merits too, I have known about this for the last 4 or 5 years....cloophone Henry R. Linneweh --- DSNet Bulletin Board System sandman respectfully represents himself in in these matters Knowledge is power when you have the Wisdom to use it correctly!