I would not disagree with any of he statments on the subject regarding SOT 23 devices and wave or reflow solder joints being up to the plastic body. But if you look at many products out there being produced to day you will see the same thing!!! I have not seen them fail yet!!!!!! Bob Willis Electronic Presentation Services 2 Fourth Avenue, Chelmsford, Essex CM1 4HA. England. Tel: (44) 01245 351502 Fax: (44) 01245 496123 Home Page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/bwillis Email: [log in to unmask]