Pat, Good to hear your endorsement of the IPC land patterns. We have found good acceptance of them in the general assembly community. I'm always glad to hear of "paths to higher yield". Given your testimonial I'd be curious to hear more specifically how you've implemented the spec, though. In your interpretation of IPC 782 (I assume it's rev A), do you use the nominal values presented or do you envelope broader tolerances? Perhaps you start with the nominals and adjust for your process within the broader tolerances? I have found this particular version to be a bit subject to the user. Nominal values are aggressive compared to factory specific specs that we also support, while the full envelope presented is too conservative for complex products. Is your interpretation part of your success? Long live TechNet! Jeff Seeger Applied CAD Knowlege Inc Chief Technical Officer Tyngsboro MA 01879 [log in to unmask] 508 649 9800