Could not resist making another comment on the subject: What about the unknown defective transistor that you assemble to your PWB which blows out an entire circuit, damaging the board beyond repair. Are you going to send a bill to the transistor distributor for the cost of the replacement assembly? I buy a truck from Ford (random selection) and a defect takes it out of service for 3 days for a warranteed part replacement. Do you think Ford is going to reimburse me for my lost business or the rental of a replacement truck? Get real! The best I might get is for the dealer to offer me the use of another truck on the lot, if one is available. Why are fabricators expected to offer something that is not generally done for most other products? Jeff ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 21 11:10 EDT 1996 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:03:20 -0700 Resent-Sender: [log in to unmask] Old-Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:37:59 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] (Mike Avery) To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] Subject: Re[2]: seek for powerful strike on customers who don't reaso Resent-Message-ID: <"LsBDt2.0.bd9.X4uQo"@ipc> Resent-From: [log in to unmask] X-Mailing-List: <[log in to unmask]> archive/latest/7016 X-Loop: [log in to unmask] Resent-Sender: [log in to unmask] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.617409548" Content-Length: 5390 This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the remainder, you will need to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.617409548 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Exactly!! In this day and age, with capacity in Asia increasing by 100% over the next few months, it may very well be time for the industry as a whole to reexamine this entire issue. It is not the job of an OEM to inspect PCBs. Rather, we would expect a marketable product (i.e.: one that works!) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: seek for powerful strike on customers who don't reason! Author: [log in to unmask] at Internet Date: 10/10/96 8:00 AM It always amazes me how PCB Fabricators expect OEM's to be responsible for testing a board to prove the Fabricator has done his job. Why doesn't the Fabricator test the board to insure he has done his job properly? Why is this cost always passed down to the OEM? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: seek for powerful strike on customers who don't reason! Author: [log in to unmask] at Internet Date: 10/19/96 4:13 PM Hi! This is JH. I read the article "Ownership of Liability for Board Defects before and After Assmbly" on October issue of CircuitTree. My customer is asking me to pay for the components ,assembly labor, etc. loaded on the defected boards. The board is $9.00 that I charged him. In return he wants me to pay $30.00 per board! He is holding the payment for other invoices (totalled more than $10k), which has nothing to with this order. The electrical test was not requested. The customer took his own risk to load the components without having inspection. I am willing to replace the bad boards but not willing to pay for the cost that I have no way to control. My intention here is to seek for a knowledgeable attorney who has experence in this area to punish this kind of customer(s) who don't care what you think or what you say! In the article, it mentioned "tested many times in court." Do you have any case numbers and documents available? Those can be very helpful if they are presented to the judge or attorneys who also needs to be "educated" . *************************************************************************** * TechNet mail list is provided as a service by IPC using SmartList v3.05 * *************************************************************************** * To unsubscribe from this list at any time, send a message to: * * [log in to unmask] with <subject: unsubscribe> and no text. * *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** * TechNet mail list is provided as a service by IPC using SmartList v3.05 * *************************************************************************** * To unsubscribe from this list at any time, send a message to: * * [log in to unmask] with <subject: unsubscribe> and no text. * *************************************************************************** --IMA.Boundary.617409548 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from usr.com (mailgate.usr.com) by robogate2.usr.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 26B76660; Mon, 21 Oct 96 08:11:02 -0500 Received: from simon.ipc.org by usr.com (8.7.5/3.1.090690-US Robotics) id IAA29344; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:13:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ipc.org by simon.ipc.org via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id HAA16208; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 07:57:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 07:57:39 -0700 Received: by ipc.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0vFJN1-0000RbC; Mon, 21 Oct 96 07:22 CDT Resent-Sender: [log in to unmask] Old-Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:00:32 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: seek for powerful strike on customers who don't reason! 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