just a test I have been unable to get out since I switched from home to work pc. If this does get out I would like to comment on the Cadnetix upgrade. There is positively NO other CAD system as easy to use. However I agree with the person who said that it lacked the features and capability. The latest offering from Veribest does have much much more of the capability but could use a bit in the ease of use department and cleaness from schematic to layout (there close). The only thing that can drive the ease of use issue is the user's. Also I think job postings should be left on this and the technet forum or at least provide another forum to do so. I would like to add that I agree with the philosophy that everything can use some improvement but the certification in my estimation is right on course, and that the Designers Council on the whole is a great success. Look at all the Chapters that are in full swing now. My thanks to the IPC and all the people responsible for the concept of a Designers Council it was about time. Thanks Robert M. Wolfe [log in to unmask]