Actually the next low cost area might be Africa. There were some recent PBS docs on this. Bob K. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of [log in to unmask] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 5:57 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] NTC:american jobs I am not that optimistic of the jobs returning to USA. We Americans are addicted to paying less and less for the goods. So if China becomes too expensive, there will be some other less developed country. Remember before China there were Singapore, Taiwan, and Japan. As long as a product requires some amount of manual labor to produce, it will be possible to move its production to some offshore location. Also due to strict environment laws in this country, certain type of manufacturing will always remain offshore. Regards Ravinder Ajmani HGST, a Western Digital company [log in to unmask] 5601 Great Oaks Pkwy. San Jose, CA 95119-1003 www.hgst.com "Stadem, Richard D." <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: TechNet <[log in to unmask]> 06/05/2013 01:28 PM Please respond to TechNet E-Mail Forum <[log in to unmask]>; Please respond to "Stadem, Richard D." <[log in to unmask]> To <[log in to unmask]> cc Subject Re: [TN] NTC:american jobs All that has already happened, quite a long time ago. The Chinese have complete wholesale processes making fake components in several cities. The rivers are so polluted they cannot clean the water enough to use for cleaning the counterfeit components after stripping them off the boards. I have walked through the cities such as Hangzhao and Shaoxing and saw the piles of electronic ICs and every other type of component piled on cheesecloth on the sidewalks during the rainy season, as the rain is the only water clean enough. The pollution and unemployment right now is beyond belief. They develop their economy by theft of intellectual property, not by product development. Compared to Chinese cities, Pittsburgh looks like Stenunsund or Grindevik. I had a few in the Gardscafe awhile back. The Swedish ale was definitely a cut above Iron City Beer! -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Inge Hernefjord Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 3:09 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] NTC:american jobs Up and then, frustrated members mention about the chinese taking the jobs from americans. I don't know when exactly the pendulum will swing back, but that will happen. The chinese stampede will end in disaster. Several hundred millions chinese want same standard as have their lucky neighbours, the rich and the prosperous middle class in the chinese cities. And the government wants an economy development level at 5-7 % year after year. Imagine what that means. You need not be PhD or economy expert nor a environment expert to see what will happen: .- fresh water will not be available for all - the ground water will fade - they will need build thousands of waste water cleaning stations within a few years - Thousands of new industries will be built, but who will buy the enormous lots of products - the air will be so polluted that those with money will move - they will have not one Pittsburg but lots of - they forget, in the enormous building of new cities, that everything that was built the last twenty years must be maintained and repaired next decade or so. Will cost thousands billions. - hundred thousands of doctor titulated will drown the country, finding no jobs, polticians will be mistrusted -fast development of African and other countries will minimize these countries's need of importing from China. -lack of electricity -lack of raw materials -lack of oil -infrastructural needs, too short time to cope with the rural expansion - more that I don't see Imagine a mile long train rushing at maximum speed and in front of the locomotive workers who build new rails. When the two don't match, the train will run on sand and the stop will be violent. The chinese are incredible on most. but even the best will be exhausted if pushed too hard. I think the nations around will finally get enough and see to their own. Some have already begun, see the german toll increase of cheap solar panels from China, as an example. The US does not have all those problems above. You are quite safe and well equipped compared to the hundreds million chinese who will never see such a living like in America. Inge ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please contact helpdesk at x2960 or [log in to unmask] ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please contact helpdesk at x2960 or [log in to unmask] ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. 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