Thank you Sir. The 5-32c group put a lot into that document, but we have not yet released that document. We have one remaining issue, related to ROSE testing, that we have yet to resolve. I hope to have that all cleared away by Apex. Don't want to bring out the Imperial Light Saber if I don't have to. Doug Pauls From: "Stadem, Richard D." <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Date: 01/09/2013 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [TN] TM 650 , Method 2.6.3.5 - Bare Board SIR Sent by: TechNet <[log in to unmask]> I don't know who the members are of the team who wrote IPC-5703, but I must certainly say that is one of the best most informative documents I have seen the IPC put out. That committee should be commended for an excellent job. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard D. Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:59 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] TM 650 , Method 2.6.3.5 - Bare Board SIR IPC-5703 and 5704 should also be added. WP-008 should also be referenced. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Whittaker, Dewey (EHCOE) Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:49 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] TM 650 , Method 2.6.3.5 - Bare Board SIR Well SIR, so much for a clean getaway. I have tried to get Method 2.6.3.5 added to IPC-6012 for awhile. We have had to add it as a required test for pre SMOBC application and a post HASL process, as well as the applicable cleanliness requirements/tests. Dewey -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Graham Naisbitt Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:39 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] TM 650 , Method 2.6.3.5 - Bare Board SIR Happy New Year everyone, WOW that got some attention! I certainly recall the debate when we finalised 2.6.3.7 so....I went have a look at my files and: Sorry I am wrong! When I checked all my files I evidently picked-up on the wrong document. It was in 2.6.3.6 wherein we have: "This method, in conjunction with the supporting documentation in IPC-J-STD-004, is intended to be equivalent to Telcordia Technologies GR-78-CORE, Section 13.1..." (We tried to insert "Superseded" but it wasn't accepted. I do however stand by my question of whether IPC 6012 will be reviewed - it is due and this would be a useful catch-up? Graham On 9 Jan 2013, at 16:06, Douglas Pauls <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Method 2.6.3.5 was a shameless copying of the SIR testing for bare > board fabricators, required in Bellcore GR-78-CORE, as Graham > indicated. At the time we drafted 2.6.3.5, Bellcore was devoting no > technical resources to that document and was not supporting it, so IPC put the method in place. > > Graham, are you certain the SIR test in GR-78-CORE was superceded by > 2.6.3.7? I know the J-STD-004 flux requirements went that way, but > this would be the first that I had heard that Bellcore likewise > adopted it. I agree that the GR-78-CORE test is quite old, but it was > still a pretty good test to determine cleanliness. The almost > impossibly high levels were very difficult to achieve if you had any > detrimental residues present. > > Doug Pauls > > > > From: Graham Naisbitt <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Date: 01/09/2013 09:56 AM > Subject: Re: [TN] TM 650 , Method 2.6.3.5 - Bare Board SIR > Sent by: TechNet <[log in to unmask]> > > > > Hi Richard > > To the best of my knowledge that was called up by IPC 6012. I don't > know whether this is under review - but it should be (2007 = 5 year > rule). I will take this matter up with the group at APEX. > > I suggest you apply some caution to the veracity of any data you > produce, as the method really needs to be updated. The old Bellcore > GR-78-CORE was superceded by method 2.6.3.7 > > Hope this helps > > Graham Naisbitt ? Vice-Chairman IPC TGs: SIR / ECM; CAF & 7-11 Test > methods Sub-Committee, IEC TC91 WG3 Project Leader, BSi EPL 501, UK > IAG > E: [log in to unmask] > T: 012 5252 1500 > > > > On 7 Jan 2013, at 20:29, Richard Kraszewski > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Can anyone tell me which IPC bare board documents references test >> method > 2.6.3.5 to meet a minimum SIR requirement? >> >> Rich Kraszewski - Plexus Engineering >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud > service. >> For more information please contact helpdesk at x2960 or > [log in to unmask] >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _ > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. > For more information please contact helpdesk at x2960 or > [log in to unmask] > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. > For more information please contact helpdesk at x2960 or > [log in to unmask] > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. 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