LOL. Boy, you got that right. -----Original Message----- From: Whittaker, Dewey (EHCOE) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:07 PM To: TechNet E-Mail Forum; Stadem, Richard D. Subject: RE: [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD That's because they acquire their skills in short-order; whereas some people feel we can never be trained. Dewey -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard D. Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:59 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD The people working at McDonald's have a salary that we engineers can only dream of. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Inge Hernefjord Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:51 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD Phillip, those guys work in a multi billion industry. They have probably a salary that we in electronics can only dream of. /Inge On 14 September 2011 19:39, <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I never knew there was a society of cosmetic chemists. > > -----Original Message----- > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Inge Hernefjord > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:33 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD > > Doug, > > Triboelectric means adding or stealing electrons through friction. How > can a > uncured glue (liquid with a high viscosity) move electrons from your > nozzle? > I've been in the game for decades and not heard about such things. I've > participated in p-p courses, glue courses, read lots of articles etc, > but > missed what you insist. > > Human and dry hair has a molecular crystal-like surface, and via the > Fermi > level you can move electrons from the orbit. However, if your hair is > fat, > there will be no charge movements, because the fat has no specific > surface > for that purpose. Likewise, I thought uncured glues were no aspirants > either. > > Well, never too late to learn something new. > > Inge > > Relationship between *triboelectric* charging and surface *...* > <http://search.mywebsearch.com/mywebsearch/redirect.jhtml?qid=62bac059e5 > f09cb4c1291b201f0024f4&searchfor=kinetic+explanation+of+triboelectric+ch > arges&action=pick&pn=1&n=77decd8b&ptb=naCNCR5Azm75RkmBmXss1w&ptnrS=ZRxdm > 784YYSE&ss=&st=hp&cb=ZR&pg=GGmain&ord=4&tpr=hpsb&redirect=mPWsrdz9heamc8 > iHEhldEWVlFOy8LXVdR6PzojpERxbLlEmRQOowS8Qj5BmJGVqQkswtwN%2FH7EAkxVp0REdx > DZ8QU9G9gHdhVQrRQ2vn%2FnU%3D&ct=AR> > bleaching, and oxidative dyeing has only a small effect on > *triboelectric*charging. Measurements of the > *kinetics* of *charge* decay indicate that none of these *...* > http://journal.scconline.org/pdf/cc1985/cc036n03/p00189-p00212.pdf - > Cached<http://search.mywebsearch.com/mywebsearch/redirect.jhtml?redirect > =GGcached.jhtml&action=click&searchfor=kinetic%2Bexplanation%2Bof%2Btrib > oelectric%2Bcharges&curl=http%3A%2F%2Fjournal.scconline.org%2Fpdf%2Fcc19 > 85%2Fcc036n03%2Fp00189-p00212.pdf&isDirResults=false&tpr=hpsb&cid=KYJrE_ > TQtsAJ&ptnrS=ZRxdm784YYSE&st=hp&ptb=naCNCR5Azm75RkmBmXss1w&ct=GC&pg=GGma > in&n=77decd8b> > > > > > On 13 September 2011 20:06, Douglas Pauls > <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > > > The coating is insulative in its liquid state as well. > > > > Doug Pauls > > > > > > > > "Mike Fenner" <[log in to unmask]> > > 09/13/2011 12:48 PM > > Please respond to > > <[log in to unmask]> > > > > > > To > > "'TechNet E-Mail Forum'" <[log in to unmask]>, > <[log in to unmask]> > > cc > > > > Subject > > RE: [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You would have to check with supplier, or verify it yourself; but > though > > the > > coating is insulating when cured it may well not be uncured in liquid > > form. > > > > Regards > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Douglas Pauls > > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:53 PM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD > > > > Good morning all, > > > > Time for a silly question. The question has been raised internally as > to > > the risk of ESD generation when an acrylic conformal coating (an > > insulative material) is applied using pneumatic syringes (also an > > insulative material), through a nylon brush (a third synthetic > material). > > > > 1. Do you know of any studies done benchmarking static generation > levels? > > > > We have done some here, but want to do a sanity check. > > 2. If you have such devices in your facilities, what are your > mitigation > > efforts? Air ionizers, grounded tubes? > > 3. Does anyone use, and can recommend, ESD safe syringe bodies and > caps? > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > Doug Pauls > > Rockwell Collins > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please contact helpdesk at x2960 or > [log in to unmask] > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 16.0 > > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text > in > > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet > > To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to > > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) > > To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to > > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest > > Search the archives of previous posts at: > http://listserv.ipc.org/archives > > For additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at > [log in to unmask] or > > 847-615-7100 ext.2815 > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please contact helpdesk at x2960 or > [log in to unmask] > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 16.0 > > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text > in > > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet > > To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to > > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) > > To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to > > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest > > Search the archives of previous posts at: > http://listserv.ipc.org/archives > > For additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at > [log in to unmask] or > > 847-615-7100 ext.2815 > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please contact helpdesk at x2960 or > [log in to unmask] > ______________________________________________________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------- > Technet Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 16.0 > To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text > in > the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Technet > To temporarily halt or (re-start) delivery of Technet send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet NOMAIL or (MAIL) > To receive ONE mailing per day of all the posts: send e-mail to > [log in to unmask]: SET Technet Digest > Search the archives of previous posts at: > http://listserv.ipc.org/archives > For additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] > or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > This message and any attachments are solely for the use of the addressee > and may contain L-3 proprietary information that may also be defined as USG > export controlled technical data. 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