The problem is not that that water is ionized; it's that it's a free radical, the cops forgot to arrest that naughty little anarchist. Most water contains ions that do no harm. Seriously, H2O+ is a dangerous molecule, it tends to rip up other molecules, including DNA, because it has an unpaired electron. Fortunately, it has a pretty short half life and will be gone in serveral minutes.. The question is how long should operators wait before handling material that has been radiated. Karen Tellefsen - Electrical Testing [log in to unmask] 908-791-3069 Re: [TN] H2O+ Paul Edwards to: TechNet 06/27/2011 07:36 PM Sent by: TechNet <[log in to unmask]> Please respond to TechNet E-Mail Forum, Paul Edwards Just bubble air through the water... The CO2 in the air bubbling through the water forms carboxylic groups that should neutralize the ionized water... Paul Paul Edwards Process/Quality Engineering Surface Art Engineering -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard D. Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:34 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] H2O+ Karen and Mark H2O+ ion radiation Googled up great. Yes I know it is not useful in beauty products, I am more interested in how to control it as a byproduct of ionization. Thanks, a lot. -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Woolley, Mark D. (Mark) Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:52 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] H2O+ I like Karen's answer. H2O+ is the free radical of water. It is not useful in beauty produces. mark mark Mark Woolley |PTRL Laboratory | Avaya | 1300 West 120th Ave | Westminster, CO 80234 USA | Voice (Lab): (303) 538-2166 | email: [log in to unmask] | -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen Tellefsen Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:18 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] H2O+ My first thought was H2O+ is an ion that would be generated in a mass spectrometer with water as a sample. I looked up - H2O ion radiation - on Google and got better links. Strong radiation can kick an electron off a water molecule, leaving H2O+, a reactive free radical, i.e. a molecule with an unpaired electron. Unstable free radicals will quickly react with other molecules, and this can have deleterious effects on living organisms. The H2O+ in beauty products just means the product contains humectants, chemicals that absorb and retain water, such as glycerol. Retained moisture improves the appearance and texture of skin and hair. H2O+ radicals would have the opposite effect. Karen Tellefsen - Electrical Testing [log in to unmask] 908-791-3069 [TN] H2O+ Stadem, Richard D. to: TechNet 06/27/2011 01:44 PM Sent by: TechNet <[log in to unmask]> Please respond to TechNet E-Mail Forum, "Stadem, Richard D." I have a technical op sheet that deals with E-beam irradiation for space product that will enter the atmosphere or land on a planet other than ours, or will re-enter our own atmosphere after having been elsewhere. In order to meet Planetary Protection standards we do the irradiation. In the document, it describes collateral byproducts of the irradiation, all of which I understand except the term H2O+ . When I tried to look up H2O+ all I could find was beauty products. 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