Wayne, You got it wrong—you do not want the same CTE as solder and it should not act like an underfill. The way "SMT glue" works is as follows: (1) on heating the glue's high CTE raises the component away from the PCB and increases soldering gap, (2) on cooling the solder solidifies 'freezing' the larger soldering gap before the glue shrinks substantially, (3) the glue shrinks on cooling putting the solder joints under compression [which in itself increases reliability], (4) the SJ has a significantly increased SJ height increasing creep-fatigue life. Watch for my reliability column in the May issue of Global SMT & Packaging magazine. Werner -----Original Message----- From: Thayer, Wayne - IIW <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:00 am Subject: Re: [TN] Solder Joint Height Control Hi Mike- "SMT glue" is not a good option unless you can verify that it will protect the solder joints like underfill does. If the temperature coefficient of expansion is different from that of solder within the expected service temperature range, then it will degrade the reliability of the system. I know that various participants in this forum have used "staking compounds" at the corners of BGAs. Perhaps one of these would do the job. But a process engineer will have to design a reasonable process and then validate the results. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike Fenner Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:51 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Solder Joint Height Control I am not a process engineer so I give you the below pending their responses. Placing the component at different heights won't do anything as that will not change the component and pad wetting when the solder joined is formed and that is what primarily determines overall joint volume and shape. You could try reducing pad size so that the overall height of solder is greater by having a smaller footprint, but this runs risk of solder balling/beading off the pad. (Or printing extra solder to existing pad to give same effect). An alternate might be to use a blob of SMT adhesive (of the type used for bonding components prior to wave soldering to give a stand off. What is the height you are achieving now and why do you think extra height is necessary might be better questions to address before doing any of this though. Also I am sure other Technetters will want to know about actual pad sizes, aperture reduction and stuff like that, so you might want to start doing a little researching. Regards Mike-----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Thayer, Wayne - IIW Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:53 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] Solder Joint Height Control Hi Dale- I've responded with a different subject name because that is how TechNet keeps track of the threads. I think you're doomed without a process engineer, because I don't believe there is a fixed answer to your query. The simple approach is to "try" a thicker stencil, but frequently that makes no difference with a big heavy part having only 2 leads. So you may have to put something underneath to get a required joint height. That's really complex because it would be simple to put something beneath there that destroys reliability. Someone used to make a spacer for apps like that which dissolved in the post-soldering cleaning process, but I haven't used them in the last 20 years, so I can't tell you where to find them. Wayne Thayer -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dale Hart Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:36 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] Technet Folks I'm not a process engineer, sooo how would one go about increasing the solder joint height (G dimension) under a component. The company's components generally have a height of 10 -20 um. The screen thickness is 6 mils. The solder is 62Sn 36Pb 2Ag not sure about the flux, particle size, storage time between printing, pick and place, and convection reflow, if that is important. The chip resistors are about 2012, caps 3225, with SOP16 (copper lead frames). Didn't actually measure the pad size but visually they appear properly sized for the various components. The pick n place machine is an older type that uses a spring loaded head and they program each component height into the machine. 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