Concord /Inge -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wenger, George M. Sent: onsdag 21 oktober 2009 14:03 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] ENIG Issue Rex, Thank you for being honest. If you follow TN faithfully you can read between the lines that there have been many who have wished ENIG would disappear off the face of the earth. There have also some who still think ENIG is a good surface finish primarily because it has worked for them and they have not experienced an ENIG problem (yet). Your last sentence and thee back and forth comments for the past 12 hours on TN point out the concerns I have about ENIG; 1st, "over the years the process window for ENIG seems to have improved and our problems diminished " 2nd, there still isn't agreement of what causes ENIG problems except that process control at the fabricator most have been the reason. Regards, George George M. Wenger Andrew Wireless Solutions Senior Principal FMA / Reliability Engineer 40 Technology Drive, Warren, NJ 07059 (908) 546-4531 [Office] (732) 309-8964 [Mobile] [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rex Waygood Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:35 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [TN] ENIG Issue Dear Bill These are the causes that I have seen for the problem you describe. Porous/thin gold permitting passivation of the Ni which the first reflow makes much worse. Thin Ni causing copper to migrate through and produce a non-solderable surface under the gold, again the first reflow accelerates this. I have also seen passivated Ni under gold but that just makes all the components fall off in shear test or shock test, so it is reasonably apparent. I went through a period of wanting ENIG to disappear off the face of the earth. However over the years the process window for ENIG seems to have improved and our problems diminished. Perhaps I should not have said that......................... Rex Rex Waygood Technical Manager Hansatech EMS provides value manufacturing through engineering and quality Hansatech EMS Limited Benson Road Nuffield Industrial Estate Poole 01202 338200 -----Original Message----- From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of [log in to unmask] Sent: 21 October 2009 00:21 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [TN] ENIG Issue Fellow TechNetters: I ran into a problem and I am looking for more information. We had some PCB made with ENIG for SMT applications. We populated the backside, ran them through the convection oven, the solder fillets were fine. Populated the first five (5) PCBs on the topside, ran them through the convection oven, and the solder fillets were quite bad, actually dewetted. Could not even be touched up. Tried two (2) more random PCBs and got the same results. Never have run into this before but have been told it is NOT a unique problem. Has anybody had this happen? Have to tell our customer that they are not going to be getting their PCBs on time and would rather not look like the north end of a southbound mule. Thanks in advance for your assistance. 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