This is serious post-separation. Didn't you catch it at your final cross-sections? Drilling quality is not the only problem. As a PCB manufacturer, we need to understand quality is not just about passing ET, but also about long term reliability, especially when you are dealing with non-consumer products. And it is PCB manufacturer's responsibility to ensure long term reliability based on whatever specs you are building to. If you think you build the boards to the spec, then you need to find out what kind of assembly cycles and working conditions the parts went through to see if the spec is adequate for the products. If the spec given by customer is not adequate, then you may have a good argument.

I don't believe there are any non-destructive way of separating the bad ones. The customer will not have confidence with any method. The best thing to do is implementing corrective actions and replacing all the questionable parts ASAP.

Best regards,

Jason Zhao
Dynamic Flex, LLC
US 510-468-4412
China 137-74692180

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Patricia Lui <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Patricia Lui <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [TGAsia] 答复: [TGAsia] Holes Desmear I ssue
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 11:26 AM

Hi James Liu,
 
In additional to the photos the single photo on the right is taken form a board which had been picked just after the assembly, it had not gone through 48hrs of functional test. As for the 3 photos on the left they are boards picked up during the 48hrs functional test run and also from boards after running for a few months in the field.
 
I noticed that the boards which have run for a long time then pick up as rejects have a more severe desmear look. So actually I suspect in the initial stage these boards might already have the same or minor desmear conditon but it is still able to let current pass through. But as the boards run for a much longer time, due to expand and contraction the desmear area worsen so it die off after 3 to 6 months running. I cannot confirm is this possible as it is all only as per my suspect condition.
 
Now my biggest problem is how do I pick up this problem boards from the good boards, I cannot let it run for 3 to 6 months then wait for it to fail to identify them. I hope that you can give me some direction or advise.
 
As a PCB factory I have already done 100% etesting, this issue cannot be picked up in the PCB factory, where can this issue normally be picked up? is it the PCB factory responsible or the PCB assembly house responsible to pick up this issue boards? I believe this desmear issues only surface up after reflow.
 
Really appreciate to you have your advise on it.
 
Thanks & Best Regards
Patricia Lui    



--- On Fri, 21/8/09, James Liu <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: James Liu <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: [TGAsia] 答复: [TGAsia] Holes Desmear Issue
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 10:20 PM

Would you mind attaching some photos about the holes?


Best Regards,

James Liu 刘春光
Director, Technology & Standardization 技术与标准总监
IPC China
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发送时间: 2009年8月21日 19:50
收件人: Listserv TGAsia
主题: [TGAsia] Holes Desmear Issue

Dear Friends,

Currently I am facing the following issue which I hope to have your expertise advise:

Issue:
I have boards rejected and found that the 1.2mm holes of some of the boards have desmear and we have confirmed that it was caused by the 1.2mm drill bit blunt at the tip area. Only 6% of the boards are affected.

The boards have all passed 1) Etest in my factory  2) 48hrs functional test.
But it have failed after 3 to 6 months on the field due to desmear in different location of the 1.2mm holes. Currently customer is rejecting 100% of the boards because they have no confident to use the boards.

I hope to have your expertise on what other test (non-distructive) I can conduct to be able to 100% pick up this type of issue boards which had passed the functional test. Baring in mind that 1) the boards are already assembled with components, 2) the boards have passed the standard test listed above. 3) The boards can fail after 3 to 6 months running.

Hope to have your expertise advise. Thanks

Best Regards
Patricia Lui
Xuan Technologies
Tel: 65-97227602







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