Steve, Having spent 8 years in the Navy as an Aviation Machinist Mate this really peeks my interest. There was an article from one from a weather expert that really went into detail on the weather conditions at the time of the incident. Could have the electronics suffered a lighting hit and because of the lead free process added to the failure ??? We may never know and the loss of 228 people plus crew Tragic...... Randy Bock Sr. Quality Engineer / Product Quality Manager Enterprise Quality Assurance (Email) [log in to unmask] Newtown Building 2 203 270-4931 (NT2) 8-426-4931 (Fax)203-270-4982 Shelton 27 WV 203-922-4014 (Cell) 203 300-3547 Pitney Bowes "Engineering the Flow of Communication" This email message may contain confidential, proprietary and /or privileged information. It is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you receive this in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete this email message. 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Please contact your system administrator. <OWA.OAIELECTRONICS.COM #5.5.0 smtp;550 Denied by policy.> Let's see if I can post it in this reply... While it may never be known what caused the tragic crash of AF447, it raises some real questions about what happened. Having flown for over 12-years while in the Navy, any big accident attracts my attention because of my interest in aviation. I've been following this event quite closely to try and learn what might have happened, and learned that there have been several incidents involving failures of the ADIRU (Air Data Inertial Reference Unit) on A320's, other A330's, and 777's that caused the aircraft to depart controlled flight. Below is from a link about the AF447 crash that I was reading: "Air France reported, that they had received an automatic message from the airplane reporting an electrical short circuit and the failure of multiple systems at 02:14Z. Air Traffic Control as well as Military Stations along the Atlantic coast of South America, Africa, Portugal, Spain and France have been alerted and attempted to contact the airplane without success. Attempts to locate the airplane using civil and military radars from both west and east coasts (including France) of the Atlantic also proved unsuccessful. The airplane entered service in 2005 and had accumulated 18870 flights hours. The captain had 11700 flight hours, one of the first officers had 3000, the other 6600 flight hours. Sources within Air France reported, that the automatic message did not only report an electrical short circuit, but also the loss of cabin pressure. This information has been confirmed by FAB, who also stated, that the position of the airplane was given as N3.5777 W30.3744 in that message. New information provided by sources within Air France suggests, that the ACARS messages of system failures started to arrive at 02:10Z indicating, that the autopilot had disengaged and the fly by wire system had changed to alternate law. Between 02:11Z and 02:13Z a flurry of messages regarding ADIRU and ISIS faults arrived, at 02:13Z PRIM 1 and SEC 1 faults were indicated, at 02:14Z the last message received was an advisory regarding cabin vertical speed. That sequence of messages could not be independently verified." Then I was reading the comments this gentleman received after his metrological analysis of the weather conditions at the time of the crash: http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/ and up popped the topic of lead-free. You'll see that in the comments. Then I found this from an article that Mike Buetow wrote back in 2004: "The sky was the limit for lead-free, literally. Declarations from Europe and elsewhere led us to believe that electronics for military and aerospace applications would be exempt from bans on lead. Suppliers to companies in those sectors were flying high, believing that under the EU directives (WEEE and RoHS) they were off the radar. None of that is stopping Airbus from taking a closer look, querying its suppliers on their use of lead and other materials on the EU hit list. In a Jan. 9 letter, a copy of which was obtained by PCD&M, Airbus France director of procurement quality and supply chain equipment Jean-Philippe Bedos explained: "For Airbus, both directives and the associated planning are applicable." By contract, the European airplane consortium prohibits its equipment suppliers from using materials "forbidden by national and international regulations, or likely to be...." The statement clearly implies WEEE and RoHS. With that in mind, Airbus submitted to its suppliers a 46-question form asking about lead use. Responses, wrote Bedos, will be analyzed by Airbus and "will initiate an exchange and a follow up of your process and the possible corrective actions to mitigate the risks." That's not all. The consortium is also putting the onus for end-of-life disposal squarely on its suppliers. In an October presentation by Airbus UK's environmental affairs coordinator, a slide listing environmental requirements for Airbus' suppliers included this statement: "In particular for electrical and electronic equipment, supplier responsibility for the elimination of the corresponding waste at the end of life of the delivered product including packaging, unless otherwise agreed with Airbus." (Ever tried to throw out a plane? It's not as easy as it looks.) For products delivered after July 1, 2006, Airbus is mandating its suppliers attest in writing that their products contain no lead, cadmium or other substances (including polybrominated biphenyls, or PBBs; and polybrominated dephenyl ethers, or PBDEs) banned per the RoHS Directive. And if Airbus succumbs, it says here it's only a matter of time until Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and the other primes follow. ...For now, confusion reigns. Will it end before airplane parts rain, too?" So, it begs the question; COULD this have something to do with lead-free avionics? Steve P.S. During my searches, I ran across this. 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