Thanks Brian, Very well said. Brian Ellis wrote: > I think it ill-becomes any of us to speculate on the cause of this > tragic accident or to follow the equally speculative sequence of > events. and especially the implication of it being a European plane. A > few years ago, before I retired, I was in contact with experts in both > Boeing and Airbus about lead-free reliability. I was informed that > they had a common study group and that much of the avionics used was > common to both makers. My interlocutors were the Boeing Director of > Environmental Affairs and Senior Scientist of International SHEA > > Until (if ever) we have facts about this accident, IMHO, we would be > wiser to stop the speculation which really amounts to nothing but > SCUTTLEBUTT and GOSSIP. > > Brian > > Ken Bloomquist wrote: >> Hi Genny, >> >> I just read this from the weather site that was mentioned earlier: >> >> Hello Tim, Check out "tin whiskers" in Google Some enlightening >> information there My cousin works for BAE Systems, and has some >> theories on >> this& His words, "The first aircraft to be 100% completely ROHS >> compliant. >> (NO LEAD in the solder.) I said it 5 years back.. They could not give >> me a >> book of unlimited flight coupons on this craft... I'd swap it for a >> D90. >> :) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_plane >> Be well! >> Jim H--- >> >> The web site where I got this was >> http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/ >> KennyB >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Genny Gibbard [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: >> Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:44 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [TN] Test >> >> So was the Airbus 330 leadfree or not? I was trying to google it and >> wasn't finding any info on that, other than the one comment on that >> link. >> >> Genny >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve Gregory >> Sent: June 3, 2009 10:02 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [TN] Test >> >> Everyone passed (GRIN). Why I did the test was because I was trying to >> post a message about the AF447 crash and my message kept getting kicked >> back with this: >> >> Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. >> >> Subject: [TN] Off-topic Discussion; AF447 Crash >> Sent: 6/3/2009 10:12 AM >> >> The following recipient(s) could not be reached: >> >> [log in to unmask] on 6/3/2009 10:12 AM >> There was a SMTP communication problem with the recipient's >> email server. Please contact your system administrator. >> <OWA.OAIELECTRONICS.COM #5.5.0 smtp;550 Denied by policy.> >> >> >> Let's see if I can post it in this reply... >> >> While it may never be known what caused the tragic crash of AF447, it >> raises some real questions about what happened. >> >> Having flown for over 12-years while in the Navy, any big accident >> attracts my attention because of my interest in aviation. I've been >> following this event quite closely to try and learn what might have >> happened, and learned that there have been several incidents involving >> failures of the ADIRU (Air Data Inertial Reference Unit) on A320's, >> other A330's, and 777's that caused the aircraft to depart controlled >> flight. Below is from a link about the AF447 crash that I was reading: >> >> "Air France reported, that they had received an automatic message from >> the airplane reporting an electrical short circuit and the failure of >> multiple systems at 02:14Z. Air Traffic Control as well as Military >> Stations along the Atlantic coast of South America, Africa, Portugal, >> Spain and France have been alerted and attempted to contact the airplane >> without success. Attempts to locate the airplane using civil and >> military radars from both west and east coasts (including France) of the >> Atlantic also proved unsuccessful. The airplane entered service in 2005 >> and had accumulated 18870 flights hours. The captain had 11700 flight >> hours, one of the first officers had 3000, the other 6600 flight hours. >> >> Sources within Air France reported, that the automatic message did not >> only report an electrical short circuit, but also the loss of cabin >> pressure. This information has been confirmed by FAB, who also stated, >> that the position of the airplane was given as N3.5777 W30.3744 in that >> message. >> >> New information provided by sources within Air France suggests, that the >> ACARS messages of system failures started to arrive at 02:10Z >> indicating, that the autopilot had disengaged and the fly by wire system >> had changed to alternate law. Between 02:11Z and 02:13Z a flurry of >> messages regarding ADIRU and ISIS faults arrived, at 02:13Z PRIM 1 and >> SEC 1 faults were indicated, at 02:14Z the last message received was an >> advisory regarding cabin vertical speed. That sequence of messages could >> not be independently verified." >> >> Then I was reading the comments this gentleman received after his >> meteorogical analysis of the weather conditions at the time of the >> crash: >> >> http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/ >> >> and up popped the topic of lead-free. You'll see that in the comments. >> >> >> Then I found this from an article that Mike Buetow wrote back in 2004: >> >> >> "The sky was the limit for lead-free, literally. Declarations from >> Europe and elsewhere led us to believe that electronics for military and >> aerospace applications would be exempt from bans on lead. Suppliers to >> companies in those sectors were flying high, believing that under the EU >> directives (WEEE and RoHS) they were off the radar. >> >> None of that is stopping Airbus from taking a closer look, querying its >> suppliers on their use of lead and other materials on the EU hit list. >> In a Jan. 9 letter, a copy of which was obtained by PCD&M, Airbus France >> director of procurement quality and supply chain equipment Jean-Philippe >> Bedos explained: "For Airbus, both directives and the associated >> planning are applicable." >> >> By contract, the European airplane consortium prohibits its equipment >> suppliers from using materials "forbidden by national and international >> regulations, or likely to be...." The statement clearly implies WEEE and >> RoHS. With that in mind, Airbus submitted to its suppliers a 46-question >> form asking about lead use. Responses, wrote Bedos, will be analyzed by >> Airbus and "will initiate an exchange and a follow up of your process >> and the possible corrective actions to mitigate the risks." >> >> That's not all. The consortium is also putting the onus for end-of-life >> disposal squarely on its suppliers. In an October presentation by Airbus >> UK's environmental affairs coordinator, a slide listing environmental >> requirements for Airbus' suppliers included this statement: "In >> particular for electrical and electronic equipment, supplier >> responsibility for the elimination of the corresponding waste at the end >> of life of the delivered product including packaging, unless otherwise >> agreed with Airbus." (Ever tried to throw out a plane? It's not as easy >> as it looks.) >> >> For products delivered after July 1, 2006, Airbus is mandating its >> suppliers attest in writing that their products contain no lead, cadmium >> or other substances (including polybrominated biphenyls, or PBBs; and >> polybrominated dephenyl ethers, or PBDEs) banned per the RoHS Directive. >> And if Airbus succumbs, it says here it's only a matter of time until >> Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and the other primes follow. >> >> ...For now, confusion reigns. Will it end before airplane parts rain, >> too?" >> >> >> So, it begs the question; COULD this have something to do with lead-free >> avionics? >> Steve >> >> P.S. During my searches, I ran across this. 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